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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 152 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

I like all the comments ready to take a fisting in the ass from Microsoft just to keep Windows 10.

If you raised a fucking stink instead of taking this shitty deal, they may be forced to keep supporting it for free anyway like they did with Windows 7.

They've really got you guys cowed into paying for the convenience of getting fucked, don't they?

This is a company with a market cap of $3.04 trillion and you guys are just gonna bend over and take it for $30 bucks? Wew lad. They don't need your fucking thirty dollars, and you fucking know it. It's a god damned shakedown.

Microsoft: Wouldn't it be a shame if your computer was somehow insecure and got hacked?

Sounds like a Mafioso showing up for protection money to me.

EDIT: There's still about 700 million Windows 10 PC's still on the market. If every single existing Windows 10 machine paid for this service, Microsoft would make $21 billion dollars next year off this alone. It's a shakedown, do the fucking math. (700,000,000 x $30 = $21,000,000,000) Even if only half do it, it's still a cool $10.5 billion.

EDIT II: This also normalizes the practice of paying for security updates for consumers. You really want to take us down that path where every security update is paid?

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[–] trespasser69@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Why l would pay 30$ to dumpester fire OS to use it securely for another year when l could install Linux for free with more than 7 year security?

And consumers can only pay for single year.

It just shows how M$ doesn't care about their costumers treating them like lab rats.

[–] HC4L@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I switched to Linux myself but can we please stop lying about Linux being a drop-in replacement? There is enough sofware that does not work.

[–] pandapoo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Absolutely. Especially software that has to interface with specific hardware, which often times can have issues working properly with Windows VMs.

I can just dedicate some old hardware for baremetal Win10, but not everyone has that luxury.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (16 children)

A lot of Linux users here think the conversation begins and ends with game support. A lot of us use our computers for work and there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not play nice with Linux. I've probably said this a dozen times here before but I'll say it again: Not all of us use our computers solely for gaming.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

theres also a lot of productivity and creative software that does. linux for work is way better than linux for gaming and id bet 80%+ of people can work off it much better.

[–] shaun@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This exactly. I'm an engineer but day-to-day I'm mainly using the Office shite (I tried for suite but ended up with former and happy to run with it) to do my job. The amount of extraneous effort I have to make to do tasks that would have been simple in 2005 is completely ridiculous. Yet on my home computer running Arch BTW, I can do everything instantaneously, the only downside is that some supplier I don't really care for wants my presentation in pptx. If it wasn't for work data security requirements, I'd just use my personal equipment for everything because I'd be able to work so much faster.

Edit: not to mention a lot of FOSS software is better than the professional bullshit (AutoCAD needs to die), it's just a lot more effort to get up to speed with because colleagues around you don't know it (yet)

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm a Linux user and I think the conversation should be:

More than half (over 60% ackshually) of Windows PCs in service are still Windows 10. Windows 11 barely cracks 34%.

People should boycott this and demand that Microsoft offer long-term support for Windows 10 like they did Windows 7 and stop trying to force Windows 11 on consumers through dark patterns like this. We have a year to make a huge about this deal in public spaces. This is the kind of thing the reddit userbase used to excel at getting word out about. Enough public outcry over a year could force the issue.

They made their own bed with the arbitrary TPM 2.0 requirement. They can drop that and they'd probably have more adoption of 11 overnight. These are business choices Microsoft is making, while ignoring the reality on the ground for a lot of people who never upgraded to something with a TPM 2.0 chip. It's a choice to and a dark pattern to push them to upgrade.

I am kind of sick of the Linux users acting superior instead of being helpful to people stuck with Windows due to work environments, too.

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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

If Microsoft wants to buy me a new computer to get me off Win10, they're more than welcome to.

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[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

This is like people complaining about how Ubuntu 16.04 LTS support ended not long ago (2021-04-29)

Or macOS 10.9 Mavericks (2016-12-01)

Or Android 6.0 (2018-08-01)

Or Debian 8 "Jessie" (2018-06-17)

Or Linux Mint 17 (2019-07-01)

Or Fedora 23 (2016-12-20)

Or Slackware 14.1 (2024-01-01)

Of all of these, not even Slackware comes close to how long Microsoft has supported Windows 10 post release (2015)

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

To my knowledge upgrading to the newer release of any of those linux distros was not blocked by having only slightly old and perfectly serviceable hardware.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

To my knowledge upgrading to the newer release of any of those linux distros did not cost any money to the users, either.

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[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Please just force me to upgrade to Windows 11 already. I'd love to, but my hardware doesn't satisfy some arbitrary requirements they set for Windows 11.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 39 points 4 days ago (2 children)

“Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

[–] mlfh@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anyone who's had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.

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[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Knowing Windows users they probably just complained about it and pay Microdicksoft anyway

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 22 points 4 days ago

Microsoft got the grift of a century. Make Win11 so bad that people will literally pay you NOT to force them onto it! /s

Seriously though, fuck Microsoft - $30 per year to roll out the occasional security update is obscene! They can go stuff themselves with their $3 trillion market cap

[–] dan@upvote.au 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Extended updates always cost money, and this is pretty cheap relative to extended support for previous versions of Windows. I don't understand why it's newsworthy?

Windows 10 is nearly ten years old.

[–] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 109 points 3 days ago (19 children)

Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows?

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 38 points 3 days ago

The last usable windows, maybe

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 88 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the "last Windows to be released", shouldn't there be a class action lawsuit?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

They weren't told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:

Right now we're releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we're all still working on Windows 10.

I think they meant "latest" not "last."

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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 35 points 4 days ago (20 children)

$30 to not have to deal with Windows 11 for another year feels like the deal of the century.

I love how they're like 'but you won't get new features!'. They may have still not figured out that nobody cares about 'new features' being stuffed into the OS, but I guess you can't have everything.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

feels like the deal of the century.

For Microsoft, sure. If they capture all Windows 10 machines, they're in for a $21 billion payday. If they get half of them, $10 billion. A quarter, $5 billion. An eighth, $2.5 billion.

Your $30 in aggregate is only a deal for Microsoft. They'll ask for another $30 a year after that and now you've normalized paying for security updates.

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