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Would you like it to grow so all of your other, non-technical interests could have active communities? Do you want more people for moral and philosophical reasons? Or are you enjoying being in a niche? Are you happy to have a platform full of techie individuals, even in communities not explicitly tied to anything techie (much like this one)?

My answer to all of these is “yes,” so I’m not quite sure what I want. What are your thoughts?

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[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I don't run my own instance, but one concern I see grappled with by instances, at some time in their existence, is how to handle image storage and embedding. I won't pretend to know the options or have opinions on which to use or how to resolve the larger issues, but I see that as a large hurdle to mainstream, in addition to the points referenced by OP.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago

Yes, but quality over quantity. I was a redditor back in the early days, pre Digg migration. Being a redditor meant something back then, almost universally meant you were tolerant, usually but not always somewhat liberal, and with a very strong sense of fairness. I remember a good friend of mine started dating someone and when they mention their new partner was a redditor I am immediately thought oh good, that means they are very likely a good person (they ended up married). Reddit has of course grown since then, but not all of the growth is good. I used to go there for engaging discourse, knowing that I was surrounded by other relatively smart people and we could have respectful discussion on almost any subject. Those discussions are few and far between now.

So yes I would like Lenny and the fediverse to grow, but I am more interested in what kind of people we attract than simply growing numbers. When I would rather do is create a reputation that the fediverse is a place to come before respectful discourse and sharing of ideas, not just scrolling through page after page of mindless content like on a big tech social platform (FB / Insta / TikTok / etc).

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Growth is a secondary concern to me. I'm not against it but quality is much more important to me than quantity. And I mean quality in terms of content AND respectful interaction.

Historically, if one can even use the word for such a recent thing as the internet, techies are usually first to a new thing. And these types of conversations inevitably follow at some point as though growth at all costs is the only way to stave off death. And then a decade or so further on we end up with Xitter, Meta and Reddit where the anger is palpable and the interface revolves around pushing monetised hate at you and exploiting your private data for another source of monetisation.

I'm enjoying being able to go somewhere everyday where I don't have awfulness pushed to a platform curated feed I can't opt out of. If people want those things - fine they exist. I hope the fediverse does all it can to avoid interacting with or devolving to those places and that any discoverability tools that might get developed are for people not algorithms. I hope it remains an alternative to that mindset, not just another place to fling shit at each other.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes and no. Would be nice to have more active niche communities, but I don't want this place to become full-on Reddit.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Local instance culture will prevent the platform from feeling so cold like on Reddit and it helps that the platform isn’t ran by a corporation.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah. This is such a better experience than past community tools I have used.

In particular, I hope we can attract the Do-It-Yourself repair community, before the current platforms lock all of that content away.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Absolutely. I think the setup of the Fediverse in general as well as the outlook on it by the majority of admins would allow Lemmy to keep its charm even when it grows to a much bigger size.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd also like to see specialist instances. There could absolutely be a separate instance that has major sports, for example. Or even just the NFL. Kind of like the benefits of old forums, but with the benefits of federation and Reddit.

More geographic based instances would also be great.

Otherwise I'm not into more instances just for defederation's sake. Email works just fine having most users in a few major hosts. Lemmy can be similar. It's the option to leave that is important.

[–] everett@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

separate instance that has major sports

https://fanaticus.social/

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

There are instances like https://soccer.forum
https://nba.space
https://nfl.community

The communities aren't super-active because the idea is that they're remote-only, but that means they don't get the benefit that comes from local users browsing their local feed.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lemmy should be the replacement for reddit IMHO.

Don't get me wrong. I'm enjoying the recent influx since the recent reddit migrations, while still staying niche. And I'm appreciating being amongst like minded, generally leftist communities here.

But if it requires opening up the floodgates to idiots, fascists, and trolls in order to kill reddit, so be it. As long as there are no algorithms, advertisers, and spez's, I'm all for more lemmings.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, but slowly. Every time I go to the Reddit front page and just see astroturfing and vapid pop culture stuff, then go to the comments and see 75% repetitive bot comments, I realize how much that place sucks now. I want more niche discussion spaces, but I don't want reddit again anytime soon.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

I think theres a healthy middle, where its not fully mainstream but there are enough people to be able to have active communities for all your interests

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes, I do want Lemmy to grow .... but to grow organically and naturally over a very long period of time instead of artificially in a short period of time just to make some idiot or a small group of idiots a bunch of money.

Growing over a long period of time will also allow developers, maintainers and managers to grow with increased size over time. Instead of panicking over sudden exponential growth, they can slowly build stronger more robust systems over time. Also, if something is grown over a long period of time ... it will also take a long period of time for it be destroyed, dissolved or disregarded. If you grow something way too fast, chances are the risks increase for it to disappear just as quickly.

[–] Godort@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, absolutely.

The nice thing about Reddit was that if I saw a new TV show, read a new novel, or picked up a new hobby, there would be an existing community of people already talking about it. Lemmy is great, but it doesn't have the critical mass of people needed for that to be possible.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Eh... I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, it sure would be nice if there were more gamers here and every individual game had its own community, that was actually active, like Reddit does.

On the other, I've seen literally every space I've ever used get ruined by having too many people watering down the fun and altering the vibe. Eternal September fucking sucks.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago

More niche communities outside of the closed platforms would be great, but doesn't have to be lemmy per se. Anything federated would be great.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah. I came here after the Reddit API debacle. I hoped Lemmy would be a good substitute, but we don't have enough users or enough posters.

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm happy with current population. Bigger is not going to be better. You can look at any big platform to see where it's heading when they become big.

It would be much more users who are not very used to how to behave on more intelligent social networks.

I rather not see this place become Twitter.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I like this place without Trumpists who never fail to give me headaches

[–] troed@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

Agree, but the Russia bootlickers are otoh equally obnoxious.

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[–] stembolts@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago

Not really. It's pretty good. Growth will just bring more bot wars. But I guess bot-immigration is just a permanent trait of the internet now.

[–] Alice@hilariouschaos.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] technomad@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fine, I'll bite: why do you say that?

[–] Alice@hilariouschaos.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Way Too political, too much about tech, anime, video games, pc, gaming, no general topics (that are actually active that ppl participate in) And most lemmy ppl are no fun

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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I don't really care either way. Like Digg and Reddit before it, Lemmy will eventually kill itself in confusion and another will take its place. I don't really care if it grows or shrinks in the meantime 🤷‍♂️ it is what it is

[–] sag@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

yes. i like the idea of federated communities. even obscure interests have its place as long as there's a community or enough interest to set up an instance.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The way I feel about it is that I don't want Lemmy to grow for growth's sake. I want people to understand how important it is to use open protocols and free software to communicate with others and that is what will lead Lemmy and other Fediverse applications to grow.

[–] Today@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like it how it is. There are a lot of us who are non-tech. I see enough cat posts and cannabis-related posts seem to be increasing recently. I could use more knitting and crochet content and more 3d printing would be nice but I'm ok waiting for those to grow slowly.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I could provide some knitting pictures specially for you. But unfortunately I have no interest or skill when it comes to knitting so I bet it's better if I don't. Plus I don't think my GF would like it if I started messing with her yarn.

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[–] QuizzaciousOtter@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. No to the Reddit's size though.

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[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the big thing is that Lemmy isn't nearly as monetizable as other social media. What that means to me is that if we do grow, it'll be largely organic. It'll be at a pace where the culture won't change overnight. If we get big enough to have real issues, we can meaningfully splinter to more manageable sizes, or moderate shit stains into instances with no reach beyond themselves.

In short, so long as we maintain interoperability standards, I think we will have all the tools needed to keep things from enshittification. We might just grow out of pure longevity as other social media enterprises slowly but surely kill themselves.

But that could be wishful thinking. Who knows!

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I would imagine if the growth was too tremendous, the instance owners could always temporarily disable sign ups until more server infrastructure is ramped up.

I can imagine this happening after Reddit loses more giants like BrookValley and once all the mobile third party mobile apps contain all the Lemmy features. I remember in June of last year when all the iOS apps were in beta and Wefwef was the only option and god forbid you wanted to do some modding on the fly and now look how far we have come.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want Lemmy to grow. I want federated ActivityPub-based communities to eventually be the general public's default way of asking and answering questions, sharing information however obscure, i.e. replace not just reddit, but most web forums, Facebook groups, etc. too. I have liked things based on open standards for all my life, and will never stop wanting them to be widely adopted.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly. You said it better than I did.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago

Of course I want the communities I enjoy to grow but not at the expense of the platform. Too much growth and it'll turn into another reddit situation with a bunch of unoriginal dipshits reposting meme responses to everything over and over. I'd rather things stay as they are then turn into that. At least now you can have interesting discussions with people when you do actually get a response.

[–] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yes. I want all fediverse apps to grow to the point of being the default.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

I want to see the fediverse grow to enter the mainstream. For forum stuff specifically, that means as big or bigger than reddit. The more people discover and work on this federated form thing, the better. There will be better moderation tools, better filtering, better website experience and design, hopefully more developers enjoying opensource, etc.

And most of all, I want to see how this network will cope with not just a few thousand people talking but millions, maybe billions. If it can survive becoming mainstream, stay opensource, and ad-free, that I think we'll be a step closer to a better internet.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Yes, I would like Lemmy to grow organically with people who share interests.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I like it niche and I'm here when it is niche but I'd love to see it grow. I'd honestly love it to complete replace reddit and be even bigger. I doubt that'd ever happen but it'd be cool. I'd love to see Lemmy be the new thing to find answers from people in any topic just like reddit was for a while

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

More people more better. Would also like to see a more balanced political bias here.

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[–] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yes, because I still have to go to Reddit for gaming content. It's getting more and more, but on Lemmy they are still small or some don't exist. I try my best to interact with content on Lemmy, but sadly I'm not much of a post submitter.

People against it have a valid reason but at the end we should admit, communities in the size of a Discord, don't have too mich value, as one might just go on Discord than. Communities here need to grow to get independent from controlled social media platforms. It's the future.

Lemmy is already the same quality of conversations as Reddit, as long as you spend some time curating your instances and block some communities. Subscribing however would be much better, but right now there's a bit too little content.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd love for it to be large enough to have an r/stalker type sub again. I loved that community on reddit and niche game communities don't really exist here. I've never met a single person in North America who has played that series, so I don't have anyone left to discuss it with.

[–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Definitely just want more niche communities.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Absolutely as I have been advocating for the platform to grow by convincing folks from Reddit to make the jump as Lemmy is a solid upgrade. With its open source, third-party apps, community ran servers, more detailed statistics and public modlogs.

Here’s to 100k active users 🍻

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