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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 68 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

"Streamlining" has been their mantra since Oblivion. TES6 is going to be even more watered down than everything else, but also crammed full of useless things. I'm willing to bet they'll let you build a town. But the town will do nothing and won't have any impact at all in the game.

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Well they did that in the Elder Scrolls: Blades mobile game. And it's exactly how you describe.

For town creation that works, see Dark Cloud.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Personally, I find that to be good news. I prefer ES's "just do the thing to get better at it" approach over arbitrary experience points to get better at whatever you decide to upgrade when you level up.

It also doesn't mean there won't be stats. The engine still depends on stats whether or not Bethesda makes UI for it or allows granular control of it. FO4's perks, for example, set various attribute and hidden skill points in the background to hard values because that's how the game handles the extra "power attacks" you can make. Instead of how it was displayed to the user in Oblivion, where you get these extra attacks at 25, 50, 75 and 100 points in a skill, you just upgrade the perk and it sets those values to the necessary milestone.

None of these simplifications stop it from being a good action adventure game. I think at this point if you still consider them to be RPGs first and not straight up action games, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment. They haven't been good RPGs since Oblivion first shifted the series to being more action-oriented.

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say the focus in Bethesda games has always been exploration and world building. I don't care too much about the roleplay system so long as exploration and looting feels good.

Oof. I liked character stat screen in morrowind. I hate tjat newer bethesda games hide it.

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stats are incredibly boring. People want to see upgrades that actually do something, stuff like perks. Those are far more interesting and tangible than leveling your CHR stat from 32 to 33.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Pfft, just give us stats that improve by doing the thing (eg. agility that improves by jumping around and visibly improves jump height every time it increases). I'd rather that nuance over a block of text with a witty name that gives a massive instant boon. Tangibility is right, but the numbers aren't the boring part.

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[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think I wanna fire up Morrowind!

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well it's good to have confirmation TES ended with Skyrim and we won't have to port oblivion to yet another game, ever, for any reason.

[–] Fashim@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Even Skyrim wasn't that great compared to its predecessors, the storylines all culminated to the point where you were the dragonborn, master wizard, super thief and ultimate warrior. The quests where pretty dull for the most part and a lot of the unique world building of TES had been replaced with generic RPG themes.

I mean sure dumb down the character/points systems so the game is more appealable to the masses but the quality of Bethesda's games have been taking a nosedive for awhile.

The last game I bought from them was fallout 4 and it was a massive letdown. I never bothered with a second playthrough because I couldn't stomach all the fetch/bad quality quests.

After watching the shitshow of fallout 76 and starfield I know I made the right choice to never buy anything from this money grubbing shitty company again.

[–] swab148@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I kinda wanna get Fallout 4, but only so I can play Fallout London.

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[–] Cyberspark@sh.itjust.works 81 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Skyrim lead designer Bruce Nesmith explained that Larian’s success is an “exception” to the last decade of gaming trends, but one that shows a shift in desire from gamers.

There's been no shift, we've just been ignored and under-served for around two decades. But, sure, keep ignoring us.

[–] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's what AAA companies do best!

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 47 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The Magic System was simplified, but was made more reactive with things like igniting oil spills

Man, fuck oil spills. You walk into the first dungeon, you set fire to an oil spill with a spell. Then you'll try dropping one of those laterns, which are always conveniently placed above the Exxon Valdez. And then, that's it, the fun is over, the joke is told, that's all you can do with oil spills.

I'd also really like to know what other examples there are of it being more reactive. You can't freeze the ground to make enemies slip. You can't zap a river to fry some fishes. You can't set fire to wood.

It really feels like some dev thought to themselves, we've got oil lamps, maybe we could have some of that drip out, and then the Sweet Little Lies guy said fuck yes, put lakes of oil into every dungeon, so I can claim we've made the magic system more reactive or some shit.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I mean for god's sake, you had a spell in each hand but they didn't do spell combos.

cmon man

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The larian games have some interesting interactions beyond just oil. You can make people slip on ice.

The old Magicka game also had some fun interactions that more games could learn from.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Baldur's gate 3 characters aren't even that complicated. You pick stats at the start from a limited range of options, and then make very few choices when you level up. Some levels you don't pick anything at all. This ain't path of exile.

I got a mod for bg3 that gives you a feat every level and holy shit did that make it more interesting.

To WotC's credit, making character choice really shallow is probably why the game succeeded so well. A lot of people don't really want a lot of choices, especially when some are traps.

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