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“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy right-wing: Biden is too soft on Netanyahu!

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Boggles my mind that anybody intends to vote for Trump not Harris because they think he'll be better for Palestine.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

And you protester type think Trump's going to bring peace to Gaza?

[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 108 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

If you are an American voter and you sit this one out or vote 3rd party and Trump gets in you are directly supporting escalation and taking whatever little restraint away that Netanyahu is feeling from the USA.

Instead of calls for restraint you will have cheerleading from the sidelines.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

So I see you’re concerned about the mathematical flaws of First past the post voting and the spoiler effect that comes along with it.

Did you know that alternative electoral systems exist? Ones where there isn’t a spoiler effect even. I feel like most democrats, like yourself, understand these faults quite well.

So why are you mad about people who want to vote outside the two party system? Shouldn’t your anger be better directed at the two legacy poltical parties that protect this flawed voting system?

We all understand that republicans like First Past The Post voting. They are moving to protect FPTP voting in states they control. However, democrats say they support democracy. So can you tell me why they continue to use FPTP voting in the majority of states they control?

It’s not like this is a new issue. Its not like the democratic party just found out about the spoiler effect that comes with First Past The Post voting. Democrats have been quick to point out the flaws of our voting system longer then I’ve been alive.

Again, if the democrats are so informed of the flaws of the voting system, why does it persist in the vast majority of blue states? Who is preventing this reform? It’s not the republicans… they aren’t in power in these states. In a two party system, that would leave only one political party responsible for this spoiler effect.

The democrats.

They have sat on their hands for countless decades, understanding the problem yet doing nothing to resolve the issue.

So you see, you should be mad at the democratic party for putting their party over the needs of the people. Not the people who want to vote a certain way.

It’s unreasonable to blame those unrepresented in government for what is. This is what we voted for… again… and again… and again. Over and over. This is the result.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

irrelevant - everyone knows and agrees. that doesn’t change that this election you have exactly 1 choice

politics is shit. until you have other options, you have to live in the world you live in and not a fantasy

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[–] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 105 points 2 weeks ago (43 children)

C'mon enlightened lefties! Come on and tell me how you won't be voting for genocide and we should follow so the Democrats figure out through losing the election that they should court lefties. Nevermind we get 4 years of, "he's doing a good job" as long as Democrats learn to denounce genocide.

C'mon you fucking cowards, get in here and sell me on how Trump winning helps solve your single issue voting on genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm voting for Harris. She shouldn't be supporting genocide and neither should you.

[–] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 26 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

Absolutely no disagreement there. I don't condone genocide, and think we should do something about it but I'm not foolish enough to think not voting for the lesser of two evils accomplishes this. We are in agreement.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

it’s quite different from Trump’s bombastic rhetoric: He has repeatedly said that Israel has to “finish the job.” The former president’s Friday comments appear to be an attempt to paint Biden, and by extension, Harris, as being less supportive of Israel than him

Trump wants genocide escalated and completed on a faster timetable. If you don’t think that includes the West Bank in the long-term plan, you’re being naive.

Biden is trying to get a ceasefire deal from a madman. Harris needs to win the election and can’t if Israel turns against her. Trump actively wants to commit accelerated genocide on Palestinians.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

*Anyone who is pro-Palestine and is thinking about not voting or voting for anyone other than Harris, just to be clear.

The foundational lesson of the trolley problem is not about the effects of the two options, it's that not pulling the lever is a choice too.

Third-party voters, I know the psychological reaction to being told you "have to" vote for Harris causes you to dig in further, to be more contrarian. I know the feeling. So to be clear, you don't have to do anything. But we can't escape the ethical and moral effects of a choice not to mitigate harm. The dominos are lined up, pushing the one that says "Stein" or "No choice" will cause the one that says "Trump" to fall, it's as simple as that. Our moral culpability doesn't end at the ballot box, it ends at the end of rational foreseeability.

The right takes an oversimplified view of reality to avoid confronting complicated truths. Don't be the same by thinking if we ignore a difficult moral choice, it goes away. Trump is telling you what he plans to do. Stopping him is a moral imperative if you want to save as much life as possible.

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

What now "genocide" folks?

Still think Trump is the better choice for Palestine and Gaza??

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I know. It was to call them out.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (26 children)

From a purely strategic perspective, is this wise of Trump?

My impression is that even many American Jewish people don't like Netanyahu. And he doesn't need to remind anti-Harris protest voters that he's even more anti Palestine. Many MAGA diehards don't even like Netanyahu.

Like... who is he appealing to? Older Republicans, I guess, who remember Israel's early days?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's appealing to people that hate Muslims.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And people who think the rapture starts with a holy war in Jerusalem.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If he can keep steady poll numbers after an insurrection, my guess is that this won’t impact him at all.

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[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Oh, I don't think there's any political calculation to 99% of what Trump says anymore. This is more about how much he likes "strongmen". Hell, lots of folks in Israel don't even like Netanyahu anymore.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This dumb fuck is gaining in the polls.

I just…can’t anymore

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that the polls right now are also being flooded with right wing aligned groups

https://flood-watch.vercel.app/

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Honestly, is there anyone alive today with more blood on their hands than Benjamin Netanyahu?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's sad to say, but yes. Gaza is a horrific tragedy, but it is an admittedly small corner of the world.

The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead. Meanwhile, George W. Bush is responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis following his completely unnecessary invasion of Iraq. He's still kicking, probably using some of that blood on his hands for the painting he does now.

Putin is also pulling comparable numbers as Bibi in Ukraine, though that conflict has been going on for a little bit longer than the one in Gaza. But that's also not counting how many of his own men he sent to their deaths, which is estimated to be over 100,000.

Henry Kissinger would also be on this list but thankfully it's been almost a year since his long-awaited demise.

And that's really only looking at conflict. Not factoring in others who are responsible for large-scale humanitarian crises that may end up killing many more people just from disease or starvation.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead.

That only counts people who get found, obviously it doesn't count the tens of thousands who are dead or dying under the rubbel. The real number is probably an order of magnitude higher.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

"He's doing a good job,"

thanks, Hitler

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (32 children)

Trump wants, and largely has, the "Nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out!" vote.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet, if comments on this site are to be believed, he's still also getting the, "We refuse to vote Democrat because we're against the genocide!" crowd (sorry guys, but not voting or voting third party is a vote for Trump. You cannot escape it).

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you're exceptionally fascist, Trump will allot you extra praise. This is earnest as well - it's because he was mentored by a fascist type personality in Roy Cohn - and raised by a ruthless racist Capitalist in the form of his father who refused to rent his properties to black people (putting a 'c' on their applications to indicate they were people of color).

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Disconnection From Reality #29874

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