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of at least a half-million Americans is to argue — nonsensically — that the virus came out of the Wuhan virology lab and therefore something, something, something Trump is not responsible. He’s doing this with House Oversight Committee hearings this week.

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[–] moon_crush@lemmy.world 139 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, emphatically YES!

There was a dramatic shift in tone from the Trump White House during the early COVID days once it was realized that the virus outbreak centered on urban areas.

And it was incredibly obvious to anybody paying attention.

[–] Granite@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And it was also painfully obvious that once it bit into rural areas, it was going to extract even more blood.

Trump lost GA by less votes than people who died of Covid before the election in GA.

[–] derpo@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I’m so glad trump isn’t skilled in anything, but it does suck that his poor handling of the pandemic meant that a lot of people earned Herman Cain awards needlessly

[–] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 96 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, he didn't "let people die".

He actively contributed to those deaths.

Right wing media spent the entire pandemic fighting against distancing, masks, vaccines, against science. And pretending horse dewormer was a miracle solution for everything. But it turns out reality isn't a political opinion, and millions of people died because of those lies.

When humanity was fighting against covid, Republicans were fighting on the virus' side

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But at the very beginning, there was one moment where they said we didn't need masks, so all of your points are refuted! /s

[–] zalack@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know you're being sarcastic but I still want to punch you. So fucking sick of that shit.

[–] grabyourmotherskeys@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I want to punch myself every time I hear some idiot make this argument so I get it.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In general, we were lucky that the epidemic wasn't something worse. Imagine the governmental failure during an Ebola pandemic.

[–] keeb420@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks Obama for making us not have to deal with that.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

And for having a pandemic response team/office, which Trump dismantled...6 months before COVID hit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something worse is coming, and based on what happened this time, I'm terrified.

[–] thisbenzingring@wirebase.org 2 points 1 year ago

it happens at least once every hundred years, doesn't mean it won't happen sooner but it will happen again

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[–] Mordacius@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Wish I could boost this more than once.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't get over how 1.1 million Americans died and people are acting like it was bullshit.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine a war causing that many deaths. There would be statues and a memorial holiday. All I got was a slightly diminished sense of smell and grandma's house.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup who knows how many people got long covid, chronic fatigue, do we even know all the effects?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ever since I got COVID, I wake up at night coughing. Every night. It must be connected.

[–] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes. Kushner also stole medical equipment and PPE to sell it to other nations.

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[–] keeb420@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His administration stole supplies meant for liberal states and gave them to conservatives.

So, ugh , yes.

[–] RocksForBrains@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

Worse, they sold much of it to the Sauds. Some of the very first shipments of masks and sanitizer.

[–] Decimit@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Yes. And he would do it again.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't say for political purposes. I'd say for lazy, ignorant narcissism-yet-inferiority-complex (call it self-loathing), mindless knee-jerk flailing with a five-seconds attention span that resets every five seconds.

Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET - Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET - Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET...
Over and over again. A million times over. Never-ending until that parasitic creature dies. With no care to the death and suffering any of this could bring to those "inferior to me"... and EVERYONE is inferior to that pig, EVERYONE will eventually be thrown under the bus. All for a five-second knee-jerkoff hollow satisfaction.

That's not quite politics. It's something much sicker than that, if you can wrap your head around such a thing. The politics are just the fucking wallpaper on the dungeon.

[–] Raphael@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you side with Trump, you're siding with Genocide Denial.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is this even phrased as a question?

[–] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A fun past time of the Trump years has been the articles and videos and such adjudicating whether or not Trump did something that usually we saw him do on TV, at a campaign rally, or through often multiple audio recordings.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"It's fake news! I never did that, never said that!" (except on the video...

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not political reasons, just personal greed. He was busy being a bean salesman when we needed a president.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If somebody can be vaccinated for a serious communicable disease but refuses, they’re basically telling me that they’re an idiot, and/or they don’t really care about others (despite whatever arguments they may make to the contrary). That isn’t someone I want in my social circle.

If someone has demonstrated that they don’t care whether I live or die, I don’t feel bad for ignoring their phone call at 2 AM.

[–] MinusPi@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. All billionaires do this every single day they don't donate the majority of their wealth.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generous to assume he's that rich.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He could certainly sell his assets if he felt the need. No one has to live in a luxury hotel.

[–] Zlatil@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Tell that to the twice impeached former president. He not only put himself up in what he considered luxury, but he also placed the secret service in that same hotel at the tax payers expense while charging extortionate rates, just because he could.

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I have doubts that it even approaches 1B if he sells it all. And that is assuming he actually could sell and it's not all tied up in various money juggling maneuvers or solely his (as far as hotels, resorts, etc)

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

It's not even a debatable point. The fact that it's presented as such is irritating.

[–] beirut_bootleg@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago

Yes, he did. Saved you a click.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Its crazy that he got rid of the folks monitoring for that type of thing in like oct/nov 2019. I mean if you tried to pick a time to fuck us maximally you could not have done better.

[–] JohnOnABuffalo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Short answer:Yes Long answer: Yes, Absolutely.

[–] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He did, and it cost him the election. I know more than a few people who voted for him the first time, but switched to Biden due to Trump's COVID denial.

[–] bizzacore@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

And just imagine how much of his base died, that would have voted for his reelection!

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This might be a hot take, but I think Trump is too dumb himself to have done this the way the article frames it. He is EMPHATICALLY responsible for the deaths of many, and for varied reasons, but he's simply not intelligent or thoughtful enough to have planned anything further than a few days ahead for political points.

His puppet masters though... different story. I 100% believe that the massive pieces of shit surrounding him manipulated him into doing some truly horrific things that led to more deaths than needed.

You really think a racist/classist turd like Stephen Miller didn't realize that the poor were obviously more at risk of infection and survival, and that the majority of those infected and dying would be in urban areas which largely vote Democrat? That little soulness asshat is probably more culpable for anything truly devious, like the kids in cages thing. He was gleefully laughing when asked about it the first time that was outed.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty obvious Yes to the headline.

Or as Trump said, “it is what it is.”

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