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WASHINGTON — A new study suggests that your morning brew might be doing more than just perking you up — it could be protecting you from a range of serious heart conditions. Researchers working with the Endocrine Society have found that drinking a moderate amount of coffee is associated with a lower risk of developing multiple cardiometabolic diseases. In simpler terms, your daily cup of coffee (or three) might help ward off conditions like Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and stroke.

“Consuming three cups of coffee, or 200-300 mg caffeine, per day might help to reduce the risk of developing cardiometabolic multimorbidity in individuals without any cardiometabolic disease,” says Dr. Chaofu Ke, the lead author of the study from Suzhou Medical College in China, in a media release.

Source: https://studyfinds.org/3-cups-of-coffee-diseases/

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

than just perking you up

It doesn't, if you're a regular drinker. Rather, you get withdrawal symptoms at morning.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Then you get mornings like today. Do I feel like shit because of withdrawal symptoms, or do I feel like shit from lack of sleep

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[–] BrafMeToo@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I don't care this is good enough for me

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Per day***

The headline makes it seem like it's per lifetime or something.

[–] Eggyhead@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s also linked to me having an anxiety attack before the day is done. Talking from experience.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

Direct link: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgae552/7754545

tl;dr: Cardiometabolic multimorbidity is the co-occurrence of two or three cardiometabolic diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and stroke. This study found that habitual coffee or caffeine intake, especially at a moderate level, was associated with a lower risk of new-onset CM.

Seems like a bit of a reach. Habitual caffeine intake means that you won't get both diabetes and a stroke? I'm not convinced this is useful information.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I choose to believe all the studies that say coffee is healthy and none that say it is not. I won’t change my coffee drinking habits regardless, so best think positively?

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Coffee, wine, chocolate... it feels like every day there's a new study showing how they're either great for you or how they're giving you cancer.

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 14 points 23 hours ago

Most of these do not account for socioeconomic status of the test subjects or people willfully ignore them for a better narrative in derivative articles. They therefore boil down to: "people who can afford nice things live longer" Which would not be a great headline.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago

Why not both? They might be all true. It is totally possible something reduces your chance to get diabetes but increases your chance for liver cancer.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Much like the way we were told for ages that a glass of wine every day was good for our health. I think the latest research is showing no evidence of that, but rather that any amount of alcohol raises the risk of cancer.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

People who drink moderate amounts of wine regularly tend to have higher income, and thus better health in general. At least that's the last generally accepting hypothesis I last saw.

[–] Blueshift@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A problem with the older studies that seemed to indicate that alcohol had health benefits was also that their control group, the people who didn’t drink, turned out largely not to do so because they already had severe medical problems. They weren’t allowed to drink because of them.

Compared to them it looked like the people who did drink were more healthy on average. So they concluded there must be health benefits to drinking alcohol.

This “Science VS” episode is about that (and has a bunch of citations in its transcript): https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/llhdgj

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 20 hours ago

The era of that was also the first time these studies were being done predominantly with non-smokers. It was hard to disentangle the health effects of smoking with everything else. Smoking rates drop through the 80s and 90s, and wine and coffee suddenly look pretty good compared to how bad we thought they were.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I drink coffee but I put no faith in this reports that always seem to go one way or another. Just drink it in moderation. It wasn't that long ago a glass of wine a day was considered healthy too.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago (12 children)
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The latest few reports have linked even mild drinking to increased cancer risks.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

More specifically, the more recent studies analyze non-drinkers in two categories: those who just choose not to drink (generally healthier than even light drinkers), and those who don't drink because they have serious health conditions incompatible with drinking or people recovering from substance/alcohol abuse issues who (generally much less healthy than light drinkers). By separating those who don't drink versus those who can't drink, the studies reverse earlier findings that non-drinkers are less healthy than light drinkers.

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[–] Blackout@fedia.io 7 points 20 hours ago

No, alcohol has always been toxic. just like tobacco. Might see the same restrictions on their ads in the future.

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[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I drink 6... Is that twice as good?

[–] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Mathematically it works out to half the ~~cancer~~ type 2 diabetes and stroke.

Edit: Fixed the disease

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So, is this based on the model where infinite coffee make you immortal?

[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago

My grandma is going strong at 103... she doesn't drink any coffee... so any amount I drink should make me effectively immortal... Right?

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

I remember when "studies said" a glass of wine each day (week?) is good for your health.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yes yes, studies show this, studies show that. And they all contradict each other, especially if you just wait a few years for things to come full circle.

It's gotten to a point where I just don't believe them any more.

Maybe coffee does in some circumstances with some people have a link to preventing diseases. Or maybe not.

We've seen, and will continue to see, well researched scientific studies that argue both sides of this, until the end of history.

Believe whatever makes you feel better, that's all you can do, really.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

That's the journalists that inflate the meaning of these studies. The study itself will just say "we did measurements like this, here's the data" and probably even "we should do more studies to confirm or deny or narrow it down".

[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 21 hours ago

That's the journalists' fault. They have no business going through studies like this, that are not meant for them to make conclusions.

Believe whatever makes you feel better, that's all you can do, really.

Just stop spreading this bs, and stop reading news like these. Believe what accredited sources tell you, like your doctor or other professionals

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[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

I look forward to a solution to whatever disease causes people to try and talk to me before I've had my coffee.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

That's about caffeine, not coffee exactly, also beware studies that say 'might'.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

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I've drank quite a few more than just 3, so I'm basically indestructible

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Considering that coffee is probably the highest source of antioxidants in a person's diet, there will be some health benefits. Just dont add dairy milk to it, or it will blunt absorption. Soy milk is fine.

But if you're an overweight, overworked, stress filled couch potato who doesn't exercise and eats poorly, then you're health is screwed regardless of how much coffee you drink 😂

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't really understand the abstract, I'm affraid. Is CGA the same thing as chlorigenic acid and is that the antioxidant you're talking about? Also, did they test coffee with a little milk? The abstract makes it sound like they tested coffee without milk and coffee made entirely of milk, which doesn't happen in real life. I am confused.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It's one study of many showing this effect. I believe they suggest that the protein in milk is the culprit. The same effect applies to tea... Adding dairy to tea reduces its health benefits.

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Well...I drink decaf. The internet seems to think coffee=caffeine. I can never find info about drinking decaf coffee.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That’s because decaf drinkers die within 30 days.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You have to read the articles about these studies. I’ve seen several where a control group with decaf also sees benefits, so maybe

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

I'm 4 times healthier than this, apparently.

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 5 points 22 hours ago

Do not enable me!

[–] DelightfullyDivisive@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I was curious about why all of the authors of a study from Oxford University seem to have Chinese names. I didn't find any of their names in a search of Oxford's staff, either.

I have no idea what this means, but maybe the study was actually conducted elsewhere using data from the UK? Maybe there are just a ton of graduate students from China at Oxford in their life sciences program? I'm not insinuating any sinister, it just seems odd and I was trying to understand why.

[–] meant2live218@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

The study isn't from Oxford. It's from a team of Chinese scientists (likely in China) who used a large dataset collected in the UK.

The study is published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, which the Oxford Academic collects and reproduces for their academic press.

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