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[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's an article from after the 2016 election about Stein and third parties impact. I think it's interesting and good practice to compare the current moments with the past.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/third-party-candidate-gary-johnson-jill-stein-clinton-loss

It’s easy to see why people point the finger at third-party votes. In Michigan, where the election was so close that the Associated Press still hasn’t called the result, Trump is ahead by about 12,000 votes. That’s significantly less than the 242,867 votes that went to third-party candidates in Michigan. It’s a similar story elsewhere: third-party candidates won more total votes than the Trump’s margin of victory in Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina and Florida. Without those states, Trump would not have won the presidency.

(An aside: while looking for articles using duckduckgo, an "AI" gave me a breakdown, and I hate it. Wtf DDG, you too?)

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I was disappointed by DDG when I first saw their AI crap, but fortunately they let you turn it off completely.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah. For now at least. Is it their own bot, or are they using the same one as the company they get search results from? I forget if it's Google or Bing.

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

They say they provide "anonymous access to popular AI models, including GPT-4o mini, Claude 3, and open-source Llama 3.1 and Mixtral"

So it seems to be a bit of everything.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 4 points 19 hours ago

Interesting. Thanks

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works -4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Instead of focusing on the thousands that are further left than you, maybe you should try to convince the millions that aren't. But hey that would be far more democratic and wouldn't be helpful to the status quo would it now....

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who wants to vote for Jill Stein.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I'm guessing those that do find out quickly why it was a bad idea.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 9 points 15 hours ago

Ranked Choice Voting (or ANYTHING with preference polling) would be vastly better than our current system. It would enable 3rd parties to thrive without being nearly the spoilers they are now.

Every voting system as it's flaws and edge cases, but our current First Past the Post system is a trainwreck crushing the Republic by degrading into two majority parties (as it demonstrably always does) and then letting other countries and dark money prop up spoiler candidates to hurt their opponents.

We either fix our voting system or we eventually lose the Republic.