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I have a number of Lemmy instances meant for discussion groups around specific topics. They are not being as used as I expected/hoped. I would like to set them up in a way that they can be owned by a consortium of different admins so that they are collectively owned. My only requirement: these instances should remain closed for registrations and used only to create communities.

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Community collections should be a thing. Something like /cc/Technology could pull in lemmy.world/ other instances and collections of communities. It makes it easier if one instance dies, an instance de-federates itself, or just wanting to consolidate all the different /c/Technology communities across instances.

It would also be nice if communities had the option to vote on their admins once in a while. Having individuals lord over different communities is a problem in reddit.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Excellent! Thanks. Ill take a look at it sometime. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

Last time I checked, there was still discussion on how people want this to work. Because its easy to say, but hard to get everyone to agree.

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[–] underscores@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

New users to lemmy usually aren't going to join communities if they can't register there. And people who are really invested in a topic will want to have that domain for their account. You're cutting off a lot of the users that would grow your communities.

I don't mind the idea of a collective to handle a bunch of instances, but I feel like you're going about it the wrong way. When the same person make a bunch of instances about a variety of topics, it looks as if they aren't that invested in any specific community. From my experience, the most active communities start off with a few people who care almost obsessively about that topic.

Also the idea that communities can be 'neutral ground' doesn't make sense to me. People will leave or join based on how the admins and mods run them, whether or not the users are hosted there. In some situations it might work out fine, but if anyone thinks it's caused by how you're running your sites, they may defederate from the whole collection.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I personally am not a huge fan of this idea. Instances are at the end of the day communities of their own in a way. One community may want to discuss a topic in one way and another community may want to discuss it in another way. This seems to be a way to centralize all discussion around a topic in one community, but we should rather go for decentralized communities.

But hey that's just my opinion, if others like it, go for it.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are running an instance that is geared to serve people of an specific region. And I agree that they kind stay between the two extremes of the "group-focused" and "people-focused" instances.

The idea of topic-based instances are for the cases where the culture is more-or-less universal, but it doesn't mean that they should be absolute. So, if you want to talk about Apple stuff in general, !apple@hardware.watch would make more sense, but if you are trying to reach a group of Apple users in your area, then you can have a community on your local instance as well.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

for the cases where the culture is more-or-less universal

When is this ever true? The idea of a "universal culture" is exactly what I mean with this encouraging centralization. Even a specific community (subreddit) on a centralized service like Reddit will have a specific culture that is not in line with any "universal culture" (it's likely to be skewed towards whatever culture exists in western english-speaking countries, just to mention an example).

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[–] aasatru@kbin.earth 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think this sounds like a good idea. A problem when starting a community is that one wants to find a stable home; it might make sense to set up camp at, say, hardware.watch, but without knowing who operates it it might feel more uncertain than lemmy.world.

And then, as a result, if lemmy.world ever disappears or has problems, it'll take way too many communities with it.

If these topic-specific instances had some sort of collective ownership, I guess we could more effectively guarantee for their continued survival, and it might be more tempting for existing communities to move over there.

I'd be interested in hearing the thoughts of some admins - would !football@lemmy.world be interested in moving to [!football@soccer.forum](/c/football@soccer.forum), given the right organization?

And a piece of constructive feedback: Vague community names like !main@soccer.forum is probably less likely to attract attention than something specific like !nba@nba.space - when searching for a community, people look up the community name rather than the domain.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I'd be interested in hearing the thoughts of some admins - would !football@lemmy.world be interested in moving to [!football@soccer.forum](/c/football@soccer.forum), given the right organization?

I'm not the main mod of !football@lemmy.world so it's really not my decision to make, but moving the community to a domain with the word soccer in it is a tough pill to swallow. As silly as it may sound, there's a lot of people that don't like having football referred to as soccer.

Moving away from lemmy.world and their annoying VPN restrictions would be nice though.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

moving the community to a domain with the word soccer in it is a tough pill to swallow. As silly as it may sound, there’s a lot of people that don’t like having football referred to as soccer.

Sounds silly indeed, but I agree (https://feddit.org/comment/2048090 )

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

It seems kind of slimy.

If you don't want the communities, stop squatting them. Having no users seems like just a way to keep costs down so you can hold onto more urls and is bad for the general ecosystem anyways.

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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If a moderator is from a different instance, can they effectively moderate? So isn't it a problem if all moderators would be from different instances?

I remember after the exodus community discovery in Lemmy was hard, and it made sense to create instances like these. But nowadays with Lemmy Explorer and with multiple community promo communities I think it's not really hard to find the topics you are interested in.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

If a moderator is from a different instance, can they effectively moderate? So isn’t it a problem if all moderators would be from different instances?

Reports are still not federated

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4744

[–] Object@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would assume the "rendezvous" instance would collect all posts from all communities it is subscribed to, and show them to the users as if it came from a single instance. So moderation would be limited to the moderators of the actual instance behind it.

The explorer makes it easier to discover them, but would be even better if that's automated.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 1 day ago

"rendezvous instances" is a perfect term for them...

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think this idea is good. I remember seeing those domain names last year. At the time it seemed muddy and uncomfortable to me, since there was a whole scheme of Reddit ghost accounts posting, while I understood there were good intentions behind it, mirrored posts were flooding users' All feed to the point I started blocking a bunch of subs, and many admins defederated.

If we can promote the community first approach where the domain is the space for discussion to be held and stored, with users connecting from across the Fediverse, this would be excellent, a good alternative to massive centralized Lemmy servers. Collective ownership would ensure preservation of content if one or more go offline.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think there may be a challenge or challenges that you haven't pinned down yet. First is: what problem does this solve?

Second is, how will people know that they are housed under the same roof, so to speak? A small instance dedicated to NBA basketball may be interesting, but if it seems disconnected then people would be wary. Small specialty instances can be shut down without warning for all sort if reasons.A consortium of instances may help with this issue, as long as it is immediately clear through common branding that they are part if the same group.

Third is that different communities have different needs.

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[–] MxRemy@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't run any instances, but that does seem potentially like a pretty neat idea.

I am really curious about the unexpected behaviors of your instance members though! What are they doing, just treating it as a general instance and not really engaging with the local theme?

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Closed for registrations = no instance user accounts

[–] MxRemy@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I assumed, by "They are not being as used as I expected/hoped.", that the OP was implying, "- by the members of said instances". And that the closed-registration bit was part of the proposal, not the existing state of affairs. I didn't realize their instances were already closed-registration.

Ah, I see. I misread a bit. I thought they were being used differently than expected, not less than expected.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 day ago

I am not sure what "instance members" you are referring to, here.

The topic-based instances are closed for registration, so there are no users there.

If you are referring to the communick.news instance: it is only configured to have admins creating communities on it and the general instructions are to use https://fediverser.network as the place to discover communities.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

Why?

That just locks communities off. Wh ich you could readily do before Lemmy, just host a forum. Discourse is a pretty damn cool software for it. Close registrations, close visibility, and allow users in on a per-user basis. That's also a lot how Tildes works, and I remember people here don't like that very much.

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