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edit: after 20 comments, i'm adding a post description here, since most of the commenters so far appear not to be reading the article:

This is about how surprisingly cheap it is (eg $15,000) to buy a complete production line to be able to manufacture batteries with a layer of nearly-undetectable explosives inside of them, which can be triggered by off-the-shelf devices with only their firmware modified.

screenshot of paragraph from the article saying "The process to build such batteries is well understood and documented. Here is an excerpt from one vendor’s site promising to sell the equipment to build batteries in limited quantities (tens-to-hundreds per batch) for as little as $15,000:" followed by a screenshot of "Flow-chart of Pouch Cell Lab-scale Fabrication" showing a 20 step process

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[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 1 points 17 hours ago

I'll never look at my phone the same way again

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Jfc Christ Lemmy.

Every single comment misunderstanding the point. The batteries are exploding because there's explosives in them. This does make them exploding batteries. They explode because they are partially made with explosives. Please don't "well actually" this.

No this is not a description of something Israel did, it's a hypothetical way to do a similar attack to show how within reach of idiot terrorists it is.

Raising the idea of doing this so everyone is thinking about it is extremely bad for us all. Thanks Israel.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

JFC Christ, does anyone know where the nearest ATM Machine is?

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 3 points 17 hours ago

Jesus Fried Chicken Christ

[–] db2@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Please don't well actually this.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Did it really need quotes?
Please don't "well actually" this

[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, yes it did. I didn't understand that sentence until I saw this version with quotes.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

No, it doesn't. The battery itself is not the source of the explosion, it's the explosive hidden inside it.

A regular battery cannot be made to explode in this way.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I think there may be a couple edits needed in your comment. Reread slowly and get back to us.

[–] femtech@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

That does not make them exploding batteries, it had explosives in them. A suicide bomber is not an explosive human.

[–] FarceOfWill@infosec.pub -1 points 17 hours ago

Do bombs explode? Or is it the explosives inside of them that are exploding?

[–] eatthecake@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A suicide bomber is not an explosive human but they are an exploding human.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Jfc Christ Lemmy.Every single comment misunderstanding the point.

Pedantics fighting pedantics LOL

The batteries are exploding because there's explosives in them. This does make them exploding batteries.

And when you put the same explosives inside a barbie doll and make it go off, then it wasn't an exploding barbie doll. Or was it? ;-)

[–] boatswain@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pedantics fighting pedantics LOL

I think you mean "pedants fighting pedants" :p

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 2 points 21 hours ago

This really should be the unofficial name of places like lemmy and reddit

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

We don't see exploding batteries more because most militaries are better about securing their supply chain.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

The attack hit many civilians. For militaires it might be feasible to secure their chain. For terror attacks, which this was, it would be far more difficult.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 day ago

I don't think terrorists care about the people's trust in everyday things

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 54 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Just to be clear, the pager thing wasn't exploding batteries, they had apparently been modified at the production level to have explosives in them, which could be triggered by the pager system itself.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And also because it's impossible.

So it is actually in fact very hard. What they had was exploding explosives which are not hard.

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[–] PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm saving this. Not because I want to make bombs, but if it really is that easy to make lithium batteries then knowing about the process will be beneficial someday. It's hard to find information about how rechargeable batteries work. You probably couldn't even make a lead acid battery from raw materials using just information on the internet.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Even though your edit clarified it, I wish we’d stop calling them “exploding batteries”. The battery isn’t the explosive, it’s the explosives that were hidden in the device. I’ve already encountered far too many morons describing conspiracies where the big bad government could make your iPhone explode.

[–] grudan@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago

Title felt misleading.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's also a big ass war crime. And if you did it habitually as anyone other than the West you could expect a visit from the US military. Inside the West you'd likely end up in prison. Except Israel. Israel is just immune to everything because uhhh... Because... Well nobody actually has a good reason.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Because people are scared to be seen as an anti-Semite if you are critical of a Jewish state and their wrongdoings.

This is how Jeremy Corbyn got slammed as being an anti-Semite across the media and eventually kicked out of the labour party.

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[–] ashar@infosec.pub 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sending out IEDs that will probably explode in a supermarket and kill civilians is generally considered a war crime. So far 2 kids killed in Beirut by the Israeli bombs in devices.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Exterminating the next generation of people who would live on the land they want to steal is the goal.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

Context: bunniestudios.com is run by bunnie, the guy who was involved with the hardware side of breaking DRM on the original XBox; he later went into consumer electronics manufacturing.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

But I don't want my devices to be bombs

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Lithium burns intensely but it doesn't explode. An electric car can burn for a long time, but they don't explode. One of the comments says so

I understand that what happened in Libanon was that dedicated explosives were added to the devices, it was not the batteries exploding. But that does not take away the conclusion of your story.

It shouldn't be undetectable. Throw a device from s series into a fire as a spot check and if it burns it's ok, if it explodes give the entire series to your enemy's kids to play with.

[–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not an explosives expert, but I've seen enough YouTube videos about explosives to know that not all explosives explode in fire. Some are incredibly stable at extreme conditions right up until deliberately triggered. It all depends on the type of explosives.

There may still be ways to detect them, but it's not necessarily going to be that simple.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes that's correct high explosives require a starter explosive. However this starter explosive would also have to be incorporated into the device and the starter explosive is triggered by a spark or a fire. So throwing it in a fire would still work as a test you'd just have to make sure it totally melted before concluding anything.

[–] Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't necessarily require a starter explosive, certain types do of course. It's more about overcoming the initial energy required, for example the arc from an electric arc lighter could probably overcome that requirement in a lot of scenarios.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 22 hours ago

The type of explosive used in this is not a high explosive. If put in a fire it would have exploded

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago

Throw a device from s series into a fire as a spot check and if it burns it's ok, if it explodes give the entire series to your enemy's kids to play with.

Most high explosives burn unless detonated properly.

This is really basic stuff. I don’t think you should be out and about giving people advice about handling (potential) explosives.

[–] dyslexicdainbroner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

It depends on the explosive, C-4, and I think all plastic explosives, will burn in a fire.

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