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"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that 'some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest' of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called 'social fascists.'

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, Thälmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitler’s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

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[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 127 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Plus we keep using this outdated first-past-the-post voting system in the 21st century.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

We desperately need more real third-party participation in politics, but voting for third parties in presidential elections doesn’t make that happen—the US voting system isn’t a business that adapts its products to meet consumer demand.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

in presidential elections

Or in House of Representative, or Senate. The real power is in Congress.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Local elections is where most of the current people in power got started. Anyone voting for third party in the presidential race missed the boat.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just a note, while ranked voting is much better, the people who are influenced by parties that game the system and a gullible ignorant base usually consolidate themselves into one big party that still does everything to undermine the rest of the coalitions as long as it makes them look bad even if it's worse off for society as a whole and that like a tumor can keep growing until it goes past the midpoint for toppling the democracy that elected it. It's part of the solution, but not all of it, societies act like headless chickens when things get bad enough, regardless of who was responsible for them. For example, Brexit.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 5 days ago (26 children)

I’m not voting for Harris. I’m voting against Trump via Harris.

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Republicans are not going to suddenly stop being evil, so what's the solution? Just endlessly comprise and never accomplish anything? Fuck that. I refuse to be held hostage. If Democrats want leftist votes then they have to deliver leftist policies. Otherwise they're just as responsible

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

There's a lot you can say about how broken US electoralism is, but using this as an example is just not accurate.

  1. Hitler wasn't elected by people, he lost to Hindenburg in 1932 and was appointed Chancellor later.

  2. The Nazis who appointed him Chancellor had the majority, meaning more than every other party combined. Meaning third parties didn't syphon the Hitler vote

  3. Hindenburg didn't want to appoint him, but meetings with industrialists made him change his mind

  4. Hindenburg then gave Hitler more powers after the Heischtag fire.

If anything, it's an example of what happens when you reach over the aisle and compromise with nazis.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The real lesson, I think, is that fascists take power when the mechanisms of liberal democracy crumble away.

I have great reason for concern on this in modern times, even if the details are different.

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