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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/18629062

According to the debate, they had their reasons. But still -- when one hundred and eighty six nations say one thing, and two say another, you have to wonder about the two.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 101 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When even the most reviled dictatorships in the world are voting in favour of the UN recognising food as a right, it sure does make the US look uniquely scummy.

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Um. You know you can sell it, right?!

(/s just in case)

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

when one hundred and eighty six nations say one thing, and two say another, you have to wonder about the two.

Especially when those two are consistently on the wrong side of such votes.


UN resolution A/RES/75/169: Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance

  • US and Turkey are only votes against, Israel didn't vote. (You'd think Israel might care more about Nazis but I guess not)

UN resolution A/78/L.5: Necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba

  • US and Israel are the only votes against ending the embargo.

I could go on, but this pattern holds across numerous issues. USA and Israel's governments are fucking monsters.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

(You’d think Israel might care more about Nazis but I guess not)

I think they care a lot about keeping the "other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance"

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

(You’d think Israel might care more about Nazis but I guess not)

Birds of a feather... and all that.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Are we the baddies?

(I still can't post images to lemmy.blahaj.zone)

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But you can to imgur, grab the direct image URL and then embed it as such:

![alt text - optional](URL)

And to make a button:

[![alt text - optional](image URL)](on-click destination URL)

Example:
FMHY

In this case the image is just 0.9kB, so to save an unnecessary request to Imgur, I used data URI with base64. You can't do this with larger images due to comment size limitations. Just imagine a normal URL in there.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Thank you. I would like to avoid getting an imagur account.

That just may mean less engagement in Lemmy from this Lemming.

You can upload to imgur without an account.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Use a different instance?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago

I specifically mentioned Imgur as it doesn't need an account for that matter, but you can use any image host you'd like.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The whole images database debacle with Lemmy is kind of a big deal, and I have never seen an announcement about it, but I'm on team turning it off on a small instance like blahaj.zone. It's too much data and this instance is too small to afford that kind of server space. Plus, unless things have changed, there is basically no real server panel for controlling the image database and admins basically have to manage it manually. Which is something that is pretty daunting for some admins.

So yeah, fuck the image support, use imgur, if you're a blahaj user.

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Or use pixelfed.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah okay but consider: hosting images costs Ada money, and that's good.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Well it does mean I'm restricted to text even on c/196

Which might justify why I break the rule now.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 month ago
[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's vote right to exist next!

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fucking hell this is the strongest argument I've seen thus far that I need to get out of the US. What the hell.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The only issue is to where. I think better to stay but position yourself in a situation were you can make an impact even if a small one.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This Committee is meeting at a time when the international community is confronting one of the most serious food-security emergencies in modern history. Hunger is on the rise for the third year in a row, after a decade of progress. And now, for communities already experiencing poverty and hunger, the COVID-19 pandemic is disproportionately affecting lives by harming how people provide for themselves and feed their families – both today and long after the pandemic subsides. More than 35 million people in South Sudan, Somalia, the Lake Chad Basin, and Yemen are facing severe food insecurity exacerbated by the global pandemic, and in the case of Yemen, potential famine. The United States remains fully engaged and committed to addressing these complex crises.

This resolution rightfully acknowledges the hardships millions of people are facing, and importantly calls on States to support the emergency humanitarian appeals of the UN. However, the resolution also contains many unbalanced, inaccurate, and unwise provisions the United States cannot support. This resolution does not articulate meaningful solutions for preventing hunger and malnutrition or avoiding their devastating consequences.

The United States is concerned that the concept of “food sovereignty” could justify protectionism or other restrictive import or export policies that will have negative consequences for food security, sustainability, and income growth. Improved access to local, regional, and global markets helps ensure food is available to the people who need it most and smooths price volatility. Food security depends on appropriate domestic action by governments, including regulatory and market reforms, that is consistent with international commitments.

We also do not accept any reading of this resolution or related documents that would suggest that States have particular extraterritorial obligations arising from any concept of a “right to food,” which we do not recognize and has no definition in international law.

For these reasons, we request a vote and we will vote against this resolution.

https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-on-a-resolution-on-the-right-to-food/

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It all sounds like some very reasonable language, and yet no other countries raised the same objection, including not only countries we are not allied with and don't generally seem to respect, but also countries we are allied with and do generally seem to respect.

I read it as "hey guys let's all agree to do this thing, and then we can figure out the details" and US is the singular guy in the meeting who is like "nope, we can't agree to do it until we've split every hair about exactly how it will be done."

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It doesn't sound reasonable. Its argument is neoliberal economics at its worst:"we don't want countries to be able to control their own domestic food markets because we want them to be forced to take our exports", only counched in paternalistic We Know What's Best For You rhetoric.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh I completely agree with that. I was essentially saying "it's bad things presented with nice words" - I was just trying to be nice about how I said it. Sorry if that didn't come across. 🙂

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry I misinterpreted you! :-)

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 weeks ago
[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

correction to what I wrote below: turns out there was a new vote, in a meeting with a bunch of things voted on. The 2021 vote is on page 15 of the English pdf. You can find it using a PDF search: "right to food".

The usa and Israel voted against, no members abstained.

the meeting with votes in the doc from 2021:

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3984859

~~I just looked up the vote on the un website. This post is bs, only one country voted against.~~

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/482533

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

When North Korea votes for something like this, it's almost as if it's just meaningless bullshit.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

North Korea's famine during the 90s was due to western sanctions after everyone they used to buy food from left their economic bloc, not because they don't believe people should have food.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Maybe they should start spending their missile program money on developing their nation's agriculture rather than relying on food imports.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And why was North Korea being sanctioned? The dictator didn't prefer to have his subjects starve (that's pretty rare for pragmatic reasons, although not unheard of) but he certainly didn't prioritize feeding them.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

why was North Korea being sanctioned

Do you want me to explain the entire Korean war to you?

Here, best I can do is a podcast. It's very well sourced though

The dictator didn’t prefer to have his subjects starve

This was the 90s, North Korea had just watched Russia experience a famine after the west had their way with them. The only thing the US would have accepted to lift sanctions would have been opening up North Korea to be eviscerated the same way the USSR was.

he certainly didn’t prioritize feeding them.

Sure, that's why they stabilized the situation by increasing imports and building massive irrigation projects.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And now they eat poop fruit. Starvation sanctions are such monstrous means to an end; people should not have to resort to night soil because your government has beef with theirs.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure how credible that is since any story about NK needs to be taken with a massive grain of salt. They stabilized their food situation in the 2000s so it's unlikely they'd be eating poo.

[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 1 points 1 month ago

Never mind the fact that food isn’t part of the sanctions and they are able to freely import it as needed

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago

We've never actually restricted sale or transfer of food or agricultural products to north Korea. We've given them food assistance in the past and only stopped when they requested we do so.

The sanctions definitely have wide and severe negative consequences, but in general to food impact of sanctions is that cargo inspections and paperwork make it take longer to arrive.

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