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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 220 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Republicans: Make themselves above the Law while Endangering US National Security. Also Republicans: Why are people trying to Assassinate us?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Seems like they're making a whole list of crimes Biden can get away with though...

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 91 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, it's still illegal for Biden, it's only legal when a Republican does it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It wouldn't shock me if SCOTUS calls take backsies if a Democrat ever gets back into office.

[–] memfree@lemmy.ml 51 points 3 months ago

They already did! The 'presidential immunity' ruling they recently made basically said that if a President does it, we (SCOTUS) will decide if it is an official act, and if it is, then the Prez is blameless, but if we say the act isn't 'official' then WE will tell you the Prez is a baddie.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

Fascists rely on you being a decent person in indecent times. They're counting on Biden not using the full extent of the powers the office of the President has been granted because it's so far beyond the pale.

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 192 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the immunity case, when all the other judges were writing opinions about that case, Clarence Thomas wrote an opinion about a totally different case, this one. He was signaling her to dismiss the case.

I'm so sick of these corrupt motherfuckers

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago

Quite honestly, something like this has been pretty obviously coming from the get go. Cannon has consistently made no effort to hide the fact that she's bought and paid for and was presiding over the case in bad faith.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 145 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

What a nonsense decision, it should be appealed at the very least

Edit a lot has happened so let’s bring some context to this: Hilary Clinton was derided as unfit for presidency because she had a secure server in her private space for emails, some of which were classified.

Meanwhile, Trump literally had boxes of classified documents in a bathroom. Republicans are duplicitous, hypocritical and should not be expected to operate on good faith.

Or if they’re not, then they should show some objectivity and apply the same standards everywhere. What a bunch of clowns

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Buttery males

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago

some of which were classified.

But not properly marked as such per DOD regulations when sent to her.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 142 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Are you fucking kidding? So special attorneys, which have been used by pretty much every administration and every congress since the position was created, are not valid now?

I'm not a law expert, but was the way she dismissed it make it so he can't be charged again in either another jurisdiction or by the appropriate (in her mind) prosecution team?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago (3 children)

So special attorneys, which have been used by pretty much every administration and every congress since the position was created, are not valid now?

Yep. Good luck to the Trump administration trying to enforce anything between this an Chevron.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 76 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Good luck to the Trump administration trying to enforce anything between this an Chevron.

That presumes the law means anything to them.

As this ruling shows, law means nothing to the Republican party.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I am trying to keep "hopeful" that they'll stick to their Project 2025 plans in the sense that they'll try to do it through legal shenanigans and loopholes rather than just sending out the Gestapo and keeping everyone in their homes with machine guns.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

We should all arm ourselves now. Every single bit of this is unprecedented, in the worst possible way. Better to be safe than staring down the barrel of a Luger.

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[–] ralphio@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

was the way she dismissed it make it so he can't be charged again in either another jurisdiction or by the appropriate (in her mind) prosecution team?

I don't think so, it would have said dismissed with prejudice if so.

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[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago

Also not an expert, but I don't think so.

The big threat of that would be a dismissal after a jury was sworn. At that point, jeopardy attached, so rebringing the case could be unconditional under the double jeopardy clause [0].

The virtually unappealable way to do this would be to wait until the prosecution finishes their case. At that point, the defense will file a routine motion for a directed verdict that judges routinely deny. The defense gets to do that again after presenting their case. In either case, the judge granting the motion is not apealable.

The judge could wait until after a verdict and issue a judgement not withstanding verdict, but that is appealable.

[0] Not always though. A mistrial from a hung Jury can always be retired. Other forms of mistrial may be retryable depending on the facts.

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[–] norimee@lemmy.world 131 points 3 months ago (4 children)

America is just shouting out of every place: "Down with democracy, down with the constitutional rule of law! Hail to a fascist state!" And still the biggest discussion is about some fumbling and age.

An authoritarian dictatorship is so clearly in your furure if you guys don't wake up and spend your energy fighting against THIS instead of one another.

The rest of the world is really relying on you not to fuck this up.

Please?

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Please know lots of us in this country have no desire for this either.

[–] norimee@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

If just everybody would get up and vote!

I just saw a post about Trump gaining and now leading in every swingstate.

Its the same with the shift to the right in Europe. There are just too many people uninterested in politics or not voting because they don't like any of the candidates. These are the people who have to wake up and understand that democracy is at stake and that they are responsible for it, if they don't vote! The extremists will ALL be out there voting so we can't really allow ourselves to be indifferent.

Lets all just follow France as an example.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 101 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Hunter Biden was found guilty by a "special prosecutor" with the same bona fides Jack Smith had.

Judge Cannon just told us that Hunter's prosecution was unconstitutional.

[–] francisfordpoopola@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

I feel like an appeal is in order.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago

No no no, you see, it's only when the special counsel is looking into a republican that it's unconstitutional.

You know, I'm beginning to think this judge Cannon isn't impartial.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 84 points 3 months ago

Fuck this timeline.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Reminder: in the presidential immunity case, SCOTUS ruled that an "official act" is immune, and only SCOTUS can decide what an "official act" is.

Obviously, this fascist SCOTUS would rule that anything Trump does is official, and anything Biden does is unofficial.

But...if Biden were to take some sort of action that caused a new composition of the court...the new SCOTUS could then rule that action, and any other by Biden, as official.

I think it might be time for Biden to take action.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago

Yeah, but that would require real huge steel balls and the best the dems can do is a couple dried peas.

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[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 77 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] norimee@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

History repeating itself like a carbon copy.

It's not supposed to happen this fast. There are supposed to be centuries and several generations in between until humanity forgets the atrocities and repeats their mistakes. It's like, as soon as eyewitness' are getting scarce the world acts like it never happened.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

The fascists never forgot, nor did they ever stop, they're just not afraid again.

[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (15 children)

We're speed-running the Roman Empire RTS game, and we are killing it.

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 76 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

To paraphrase margery tyrell, "He doesn't care about the consequences because he doesn't intend to suffer them."

Trump has fallen ass backwards into a perpetual get out of jail free card. Is it any wonder he acts with impunity when events time after time prove that he is effectively immune from all but the most trivial inconveniences?

I've never been more glad to be child free.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago

Very interesting timing.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The US are really speedrunning the whole "become a global laughing stock", huh? How ironic that the cause of banana republics would itself become one.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I wouldn't be laughing. Fascist states, after their internal purges, tend to need to expand. After these fuckers take over America, they'll come for the rest of the world.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Biden needs to use his new powers the Supreme court has given him.

[–] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 20 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In a ruling Monday, Cannon said the appointment of special counsel Jack Smith violated the Constitution.

“In the end, it seems the Executive’s growing comfort in appointing ‘regulatory’ special counsels in the more recent era has followed an ad hoc pattern with little judicial scrutiny,” Cannon wrote.

So she wants a judge to say an investigator can be appointed to gather information to take to a judge?

This is obviously just some Sneeches bullshit. You could just as well argue before it can be brought to a judge, an investigation needs to be done to gather evidence.

So I guess more like chicken and egg.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm surprised she didn't just say it was legal because he was still the president since the election was a fraud and the president can do things like that.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

Ah, the sweet sound of corruption. What a nice gift from someone appointed by Trump to a powerful and well-paid position. I can hear Anastacia singing on the judges' radio: "I paid my dues."

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So do the robes have kneepads built in these days or do they have to get them altered special?

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[–] dwalin@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

Why arent Americans on the street right now? Isnt this one of those situations of use it or lose it (in terms of rights)?

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[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

Oh, this is going to go over well.

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 17 points 3 months ago

Of course it was Cannon...

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