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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any one 40-60 yrs old with moderate politics and an unobjectionable personality supported by a major party would really cause a splash.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

with moderate politics

They'll do great for one campaign until they actually have to govern and then it's going to be 1996 and 2012 all over again and we'll barely scrape by (if we're lucky) against extremely beatable candidates. Moderates run good campaigns and terrible administrations because the average American voter has been propagandized into believing they want bipartisanship and small government when what they actually want is some affordable healthcare and housing which moderate politics are not going to deliver to them.

e; and actually the "do great for one campaign" thing might be optimistic or antiquated thinking based on how Biden barely won in 2020

[–] SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh they could win alright. Literally all they have to do is be leftist.

“We’re gonna keep your kids healthy, in a good daycare while you work, educated and fed, and your fucking boss is gonna pay for it all” is a simple mantra well used by unions.

Except they don’t do that. The purpose of a system is what it does, and liberals have done nothing but protect capital since FDR died.

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[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (8 children)
[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The guy is an effective cheerleader for any cause he really believes in. I mean he almost singlehandedly extended benefits to 9/11 first responders on the strength of his eloquence.

Thing is he doesn't want to do it. Which makes me want him to do it even more. Something about great leaders not seeking power but having it thrust upon them in times of need like a George Washington

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know he doesn't want to run which just like you only makes me want him to run even more. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything and never will.So he will surround himself with people who know what they're talking about and listen to their advice.

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[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You guys are getting Trump for a second term. Ouch.

[–] 555_1@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

We seriously are. This is madness.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

ouch... for the entire planet

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[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Democrat plan is to replace him just like they did Ruth Bader Ginsburg, by waiting for him to die and then hoping for the best.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Out of respect for a great woman/man! Not being disrespectful to important people is much more important than human rights or democracy.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I'd go for Bernie myself.

I mean just imagine that! In a year of some of the worst and craziest 'first-time-evers' Sanders could be the DNC's candidate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago (40 children)

You'd go for someone older than Biden?

I like Bernie, but that's a ridiculous replacement.

[–] dragThruGardenPlz@midwest.social 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think it’s Bernie’s competency that’s appealing. Sure he’s older, but he’s in touch with reality and has never stopped fighting for tangible as well as progressive ideals.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I think at this point he has a lot going for him, ie: he's recognizable, he's popular with a large segment of Americans, he can play the game well (as seen when he graciously accepted the DNC's bs in 2015), he's kind, he's rarely (if ever) been known to publically lie, he's smarter than at least half of Congress and the House of Reps, etc etc.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (8 children)

You can't simultaneously argue that Biden is too old to be president and that we should have someone even older instead.

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[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I hear you buddy, but I think that chance was squashed by the DNC last time around. He was old when he ran, and he's 8 years older than that now. Besides, "the South won't vote socialist" is still just as true now as then.

I wish it weren't so!

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Bernie is sharper on his worst day than Biden or Trump are on their best day.

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 months ago

This is a fella with unquestionable principles. I love the guy.

But we really need someone like you know, younger or were gonna run into the same cryptkeeper problems very soon.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (21 children)

Is it really feasible to replace Biden at this point? I didn't watch the debate last night but from what I've heard it was not good for Biden. Nonetheless, I think Biden remains the Democrats' best option. They're just going to have to rely on the electorate recognizing that Biden is still the better of the two choices, as pathetic as that reality may be. However, even if that strategy is somehow successful, again, and Biden does manage to get reelected, the Democrats MUST nominate a better candidate in 2028. I don't think the Democrats can continue with their strategy of just being better than terrible, indefinitely.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Not good" is an understatement. Potential career ender.

If Trump wins in November, this debate will be exhibit #1.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

At his age the cold he supposedly had is a potential career ender. "He just had a cold that made him feeble" isn't a great alternative explanation when you're talking about an 81 year old.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Just made a large post on this elsewhere, but the TL;DR is that the party can't just replace Biden. He has all the delegates from the primaries. Do you really think the party that is campaigning on preserving Democracy can get away with ignoring elections?

Now, it's possible that Biden gets diagnosed with a severe case of not-gonna-win-itis which adversely affects his health to the point that he has to resign not only from the campaign, but from the Presidency. If that happens, Kamala Harris becomes the 47th President, and has the only real claim to take over the ticket. It has the fun side effect of making Trump reprint all his hats to say "45 - 48" instead of "45-47".

(The Secret Service better take good care of President Harris, because whatever VP she appoints to take over that role needs to get a majority vote in both houses of Congress, and the House will never do it.)

[–] tal@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

the TL;DR is that the party can’t just replace Biden.

The Democratic Party can run whoever it wants. The primaries and party nomination are (mostly) party-internal processes. They could say "now the rules are we choose a random US citizen". They don't have to do a primary at all. Some parties don't. There was a point in time in US history when primaries weren't a thing, and parties were quite happily doing their thing back then.

kagis for a starting date

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_election

The direct primary became important in the United States at the state level starting in the 1890s and at the local level in the 1900s.[17] The first primary elections came in the Democratic Party in the South in the 1890s starting in Louisiana in 1892.

The United States is one of a handful of countries to select candidates through popular vote in a primary election system;[12] most other countries rely on party leaders or party members to select candidates, as was previously the case in the U.S.[13]

EDIT: As a good example, the Libertarian Party -- though much smaller than the Big Two -- is the next closest. Under their rules, they participate in primaries, but they treat the primary simply as a way to obtain the preference of the electorate; the primary doesn't bind the party, under their rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_Party_presidential_primaries

The Green Party has a mix of conventions and primaries, depending upon state; a random member of the electorate may-or-may-not directly vote to select their party's candidate.

https://www.gp.org/2024_nomination_process

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Time to unleash Bernie, please

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

I voted for him last time. May be dumb, but I did believe in him more than Biden. I still don't know if he could carry the party, but if love to watch him try.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 4 months ago
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was not crazy for him in 2016 but he has grown on me a lot. I think he is a great candidate! Biggest issue this election cycle is he is gay. Lot of bigots will not vote for him because of it and go for Trump.

I really hope he make a presidential run again!

[–] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but were any of those people not going to vote for Trump?

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol wtf. The BBC implying that Biden did such a shit job he could stop running.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They asked the question because ...

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside.

That's from the summary and article, if you had bothered to read it.

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[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

With as many people voting against trump rather than for Biden, I'm interested to see how much this does or doesn't do anything

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