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‘The Movement to Convince Biden to Not Run Is Real’ (www.politico.com)

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One House Democrat said he spoke for others in the wake of the president’s stunningly feeble debate performance on Thursday: “The movement to convince Biden to not run is real.”

The House member, an outspoken defender of the president, said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer should consider “a combined effort” to nudge President Joe Biden out of the race.

Crestfallen by the president’s weak voice, pallid appearance and meandering answers, numerous Democratic officials said Biden’s bet on an early debate to rebut unceasing questions about his age had not only backfired but done damage that may prove irreversible. The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.

A second House Democrat said “reflection is needed” from Biden about the way ahead and indicated the private text threads among lawmakers were even more dire, with some saying outright that the president needed to drop out of the race.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 52 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Bidens about to go down as one of the worst Democrats in the last century because of his hubris if he doesn't. His decent domestic agenda will be overshadowed by him ushering in another trump presidency by ignoring all the signs for him to drop out. He didn't early last year when polls repeatedly showed that people thought he was too old. He didn't when unnamed democrat was leading him by 10 points. He didn't when his Gaza policy alienated large chunks of his base. If he doesn't in the next couple weeks when there will probably be polls coming out showing majority support for him stepping down then he's gone full head in the sand.

It's like RBG all over again, if these people could just get it through there heads to quit while there ahead they could preserve a decent legacy, instead of tarnishing it by leading the way to a regressive order that overturns everything they've done.

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Dont worry the DNC will find a way to blame Bernie for it

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[–] RustyShackleford@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

quit while ~~there~~ they're ahead

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[–] Xyre@lemmus.org 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is how Bernie can still win! /s

In the off chance they do replace him, they're going to force the worst possible candidate on us (Kamala?). Because what else are you going to do, let the bad guy win?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It would be newsom

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Newsome would have to resign as Governor and I'm not sure he wants to do that for a long shot presidential campaign.

Newsome polls very poorly against Trump and he also isn't very popular in his home state as Governor.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

At that level, Kamala is hated by her home state as well.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Why would Kamala be the worst candidate?

[–] Xyre@lemmus.org 30 points 2 months ago

A bland and unprincipled candidate whose positions shift based on polling numbers. Not to mention her prosecutorial background and close proximity to SF corruption scandals makes her an easy target.

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

She's not worse than Biden but not great. He should have chosen Stacey Abrams.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

She seems vague and even incoherent a lot of the time, I'm not so sure she's better.

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[–] Aphelion@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

Her history as a prosecutor in California makes her significantly worse. She's personally locked up a lot of POC for drug possession.

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[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Everyone hates her for very good reasons.

There is a reason California didn't vote for her.

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

She’s not white and female, those reasons alone mean she’s lost over a quarter of the nation.

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[–] aleph@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves. They stayed mum for three and half years and now they’re reaping the whirlwind.

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Stayed mum? They actively fought against allowing anyone to hold primaries.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (6 children)

They did? That's weird I remember voting in them just like I do every 4 years.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You weren't paying attention. Many states banned anyone else from the ballot, even though there wasn't cause for that by the rules.

There were no debates (Something that would have given Democratic party members time to decide if they thought Biden was electable.)

Some states were told their delegates wouldn't count.

There was no fair Democratic Party primary. If you think there was you were either not paying attention, or you didn't want a fair primary in the first place.

This problem is a problem of the Democratic Part{EDIT}y's own making.

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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But we did hold primaries and Biden won in a landslide

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Putin also wins by a landslide. It’s easy to do if you ban all the competition.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Really cool feeling when your state has primaries long after super Tuesday and the candidates were already mathematically locked in before you get a say. I swear I only get a chance to influence presidential primaries half the time or so. It's strange to watch a 'democracy' keep moving when sometimes your voice doesn't count because of where you're from.

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[–] Toastypickle@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (26 children)

We need ranked choice voting, and this 2 party system is complete bullshit and needs to go. Obviously, neither will happen, but it should.

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[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

"reflection is needed"

I hate being pessimistic, but they're gonna drag out "reflecting" for so long that they will lose the election.

if our elected officials are actually serious, they better act quickly on this because yesterday was extremely embarrassing. time will tell.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Biden's big problem in the debate was that, for a few moments, he mumbled a confused answer that sounded like Donald Trump.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It was a no-win situation. The DNC gave in - once again - to their republican-lite mindset of ‘capturing undecided voters’ and agreed to get socked in the face , twice, for absolutely no gain and everything to lose.

DNC consultants have always been morons, but now they’re morons-from-the-90s who still don’t understand what’s changed.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty fatal mistake when your average person is only gonna watch a 10 second clip of the debate.

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[–] card797@champserver.net 22 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Biden drops out Trump wins. What is the point of this?

[–] addison@programming.dev 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The point is that there is now a credible fear that if Biden does not drop out, Trump wins.

Replacing the candidate at the top of the ticket this late is a hail Mary, but it could bring unenthusiastic voters back into the Democratic tent.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Trumps base is smaller, but passionate, they will show up. Biden doesn't really have followers, he has people that are just glad that he isn't Trump. But at this point it's embarrassing to even vote for him for that reason.... so people just won't show up to vote at all. All they have to do is have a sentient human that can complete a sentence and the hate for Trump will prevail. For the love of God. Do something DNC or Trump it is.

I just can't believe everyone is acting all surprised that the dude that could barely complete a sentence when he was 77 didn't get mysteriously better now that he's 81. Who woulda thought?...

We all know the DNC will do nothing, and Trump will win, and they are fine with it. Because they want to keep dragging this party to the right.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And lose the incumbent bump? A wash at best

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 months ago

3/7 incumbent presidents since 1980 have lost. It's indistinguishable from a coin flip. Whatever benefit incumbency holds in the presidency, it's not strong.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Trump wins if biden stays. I will vote for potato Biden before Trump, but I literally barely give a shit. The bar is literally so low and the democrats found a way to still struggle against a hated criminal. For the love of GOD, run someone else now. I will vote for anyone other than Trump but the LONG list of people that just want a sane person in there and currently won't vote for either will probably show up if a sentient human was an option.

New candidate, dems win. Sit around and do nothing, Trump wins. His smaller base is passionate. The democrats are pretty underwhelmed and embarrassed of Biden.

[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think what everyone needs to realize is that it's already too late. It's been too late and it was too late months ago. There are no other options. The world will suck but will most definitely suck less than one being led by Trump. You have two effective choices, vote Biden or don't. It's unfortunately all we have at this point.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

With that attitude. They could literally put ANYONE in there (other than Hillary) and they will win. ANYONE. Doesn't matter how late it is. A vast majority HATE Trump and are embarrassed of Biden. Just give them someone they aren't completely ashamed of. That's it. That's all they have to do. They don't need years of campaigning. Just be able to complete a coherent sentence and don't be a racist bigot. That is how low the bar actually is right now. Hell, Hillary would probably win this go around.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

That's not guaranteed if Biden drops out before the DNC convention in August, where presumably another (possibly younger) candidate could be chosen.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

To get Trump to win so Project 2025 can happen

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

It's far too late for that, jackasses.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Maybe one of these people? Not that I like them, but they are not trump, have a chance, and are not on their deathbed.

Gretchen Whitmer
Pete buttigieg
Jamaal Bowman

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Maybe we should've had a real primary with debates and interviews and stuff =(

We need an America 2 where we can apply all the lessons we've learned, like primary every election and judges that can be recalled easier for corruption.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

I am right now drafting a message to send to the White House contact form advocating for just this. Will do nothing most likely, but it's my drop in the ocean.

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