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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

actually, it is. let me explain.

Let's simplify and say that there are peak hours and low hours. 100 people call during a peak hour, and 25 during a low hour. The chance of calling during a peak hour is 80%, since you are four times as likely to be one of the 100 rather than one of the 25.

The same effect means that you are almost always on planes and trains that are very full, even though every now and then they ride almost empty. Fewer people get to experience empty train rides by definition.

Of course this effect falls apart when your usage patterns differ from everybody else's. If everybody takes the train at rush hour, you might ride an empty one at noon. Or, if you call the hotline while everybody else is sleeping, you might have a better chance.

But yeah companies also just lie to make themselves look better lol

[–] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You sound like a guy who knows which part of a warplane to reinforce.

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 1 points 3 months ago

Soo you're saying we should increase train frequency for times when they're empty?

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is exactly it. You are calling when other people are calling. You are the congestion.

If you call before 11 AM you will have a much better time, as will the customer service operators.

[–] Jimbo@yiffit.net 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nah, they're overloaded at that time too

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Obviously. Because that's the time all the people who want to avoid the congestion call.

[–] richard3030@lemmy.one 1 points 3 months ago

The same goes for traffic. If you are experiencing traffic, you ARE traffic.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It depends on their window.

If they include call volume data back to the Neolithic period in their calculations, then yes, call volumes are higher than average (the average being 0.001 calls per century, rounding up).

Pretty sure that's how they do the math.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

Or just let's assume the phones are open 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. The average call volume would be drastically lower than during business hours

[–] Mirodir@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's even simpler. A strictly increasing series will always have element n be higher than the average between any element<n and element n.

Or in other words, if the number of calls is increasing every day, it will always be above average no matter the window used. If you use slightly larger windows you can even have some local decreases and have it still be true, as long as the overall trend is increasing (which you've demonstrated the extreme case of).

[–] dan@upvote.au 1 points 3 months ago

It's even simpler. They just lie about and always say it's higher than average.

[–] Mercuri@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Your call is very important to us... but not so important that we would actually do anything about it like hiring more representatives. This message will repeat every 5 minutes until you get frustrated and hang up."

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

The joke's on them - my time has very little value anyway

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah but it sounds a lot better than "We've pursued a policy of understaffing to save costs".

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Interestingly, British consumer rights guru Martin Lewis is currently running a crowdsourced data gathering exercise on this in the UK.

The purpose being to identify if companies are purposefully playing these sorts of message no matter their actual call volume. (Which we all know they are, but this will help prove it)

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/report-high-call-volumes/

[–] kyle@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I sell and build call centers for a living.

Yeah, it's fake lol. I mean maybe for some businesses it isn't fake, but usually clients would ask us to make it where "if there's more than X calls in queue, play the message". Turns out, there's always more than X calls in queue. It's not actually looking at the average.

It's kinda weird, some things are just always like that, some things clients want to add in because the average user expects it.

Someone wanted a repeat caller to get bumped to the front of the queue. Literally encouraging the "if I hang up and call back I'll get there sooner" people. Awful.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Stop putting people on hold, period. We have the technology to just call back when they’re at or near the top of the queue. If they miss their call, maybe their number gets priority for an hour or something. Either way, when I get put on hold, I mostly fantasize about murdering whoever set up that system.

[–] watersnipje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And then they start playing horrible, distorted wait music.

[–] psivchaz@reddthat.com 1 points 3 months ago

And then interrupting that hold music at seemingly random intervals to tell you that they care about you, or to tell you that you could do this faster on their website.

I had to call Assurant recently because their website literally threw an error and told me to call in and wouldn't let me proceed. I was told by the automated messages no less than 4 unstoppable times that the website is faster, and then after explaining the situation to the person she told me that the website is faster.

She was clearly reading the script and it's not her fault so I kept quiet, but I have rarely felt such extreme rage in my life.

[–] kyle@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a feature dubbed "queued callback". Saves your place, it's a pretty common request. Customers like Delta, Intuit, Pacific Life, Citibank, Dyson, all use the platform I build (Amazon Connect) and do stuff like that.

Problem is, no one answers a call from an unknown number these days. Some phones are getting smart enough to recognize the number and show that it's a business, though that's more anecdotal evidence from my personal device (Pixel Fold with Google Fi carrier).

[–] constantokra@lemmy.one 1 points 3 months ago

Hold for me and call screening on the pixel is amazing. It's so much better than any other feature available on any other phone.