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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And trump raised way more by being convicted

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From small donors too, the benefit of small donors is they can keep giving.

Once someone gives the ~million to BVF, they're tapped out. And they tend to give as much as they can to attend something like this, then they're tapped out for the race.

With small donors campaigns can spend as they earn, with large donors you have to try to budget. Which lets small donors campaigns get off to a fast start.

Going after just big money isn't a good strategy, and the DNC should have learned that lesson from the 2016 primary and then the general.

Instead they've doubled down on chasing the wealthy.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The DNC gets about half of it's donations from small donors versus the RNC getting about 30 percent. You're yelling at the wrong tree.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You got a source?

Like, legitimately not trying to start an argument. Stuff like this where things are better than I thought is good news, so I genuinely would like to see that you're right.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Open Secrets tracks fundraising. I left a link in my other comment.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks!

The confusion is that doesn't include outside money:

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race/candidate-and-outside-committees-totals?curr_cands=Y

Which also wouldn't include the DNC share from the Biden Victory Fund.

https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00744946/

Biden has a lot more cash available than the 195 million in your link, that was the big red flag. I mean, he had this 30 million weekend, another 60 million just a couple weeks ago I think.

The math didn't add up for your numbers and what keeps getting reported, but it was pretty easy to find where the wires got crossed.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee -1 points 1 month ago

Trump raised more than Biden last election and still lost

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He should try a "improving my polling numbers" weekend blitz.

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He can start by dropping all federal government support to Israel and by promoting BDS

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Donald Trump approves this message!

Let's not forget that a massive segment of the voting electorate still supports Israel, which is the needle to thread.

If you care so much about this, what you can do is go on social media as well as speak to your friends and family about what Israel is doing to influence the polls directly. Reduce the national poll numbers and you'll see a reflection in policy. The slow shift in policy towards Israel has obviously been proportional to the degrading national and international support.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Recent polling shows that isn't true. Early in 2024 the most people wanted to condition military aid to food aid. Polls taken by late March and early April showed a swing to where people now believe it's a dirty war on both sides that we should not be supporting, except to force them to accept food aid. Most democrats and independents are recorded with this position.

The question none of this polling dares to ask and probably should is, "will this issue prevent you from voting for a candidate in the general election?"

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

What polling are you referring to, because the March polling from PEW who I'd trust the most in this situation still has 36% supporting Gaza action and another 9% having no opinion.

The question none of this polling dares to ask and probably should is, “will this issue prevent you from voting for a candidate in the general election?”

I think that's a fair question, but at the end of the day, the vast majority of people also do not place the Israeli-Palestinian war remotely at the top of their top list of concerns. So framing another way is: What % of the electorate in key states actually considers Biden's actions as unacceptable, versus the % of the electorate who still continues to support Israel and would consider it unacceptable if he withdrew further support? Moreover in terms of damage-control what would happen to Biden if he withdrew all aid to Israel and they just so happened to incur another terrorist attack? Whether we like it or not, this election is inevitable and Biden is certainly the better option not only for the people of Gaza but also the people of Ukraine and the wider planet for that matter. Certainly wouldn't be that difficult for a right-wing nationalist government to stage a false-flag akin to Russia's apartment bombings. So I think the proportional wind-down as polls continue to turn against Israel is the smart move. If I was in the Oval Office (and of course, none of us here are), that's what I would be advising. Meanwhile the second I win election, I'd be cutting Israel off entirely.

[–] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's incredibly messed up that the thing that ensures we get a good candidate in US politics is bags of money. It's almost like the system might have some glaring problems.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I mean, we all knew what this campaign was gonna look like.

He appointed Jamie Harrison as the DNC chair, someone that appeared out of nowhere to checks notes lose to Lindsey Graham despite getting record breaking donations...

I mean seriously, dude raised $57,000,000 dollars but couldn't beat Lindsey Graham so Biden put him in charge of the DNC.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/us/politics/jaime-harrison-lindsey-graham-south-carolina.html

And he's got a "media mogul" named Jeffrey Kazenberg as a campaign co-chair. His bonafides involve access to celebrities and bundling donations from millionaires.

https://www.latimes.com/la-influential/story/2024-06-16/jeffrey-katzenberg-hollywood-fundraiser-democrats

It's not like the actual campaign manager knows better, this is the first time she's been a campaign manager, so it's good she used such a low stakes campaign as her springboard.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/25/bidens-campaign-team-00093671

And that last link covers the rest of the team as well.

But when people keep wondering "who the fuck is making these calls?"

It's those people handpicked by Biden, and they're fucking up a very important campaign and refusing to listen to any feedback that doesn't come from the incredibly wealthy.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Some valid criticism here, but in fairness to the campaign manager, you make it sound like she was pulled off the street when:

but she served as the deputy campaign manager on Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris’ last campaign and is close with the president.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Roe v. Wade falling really is paying off for both parties

one gets money because it fell and the other gets money to try and restore rights indefinitely

two party scam

[–] ZK686@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

It's funny how the Left looks at the rich and power as the enemy... when in fact, the vast majority of them in this country are Democrats.. all of Hollywood and the entertainment industry like to say "we're just like you!" and the Left eats it up..