It's going to be a fight to get your future back. Don't get comfy. They need to do the work to fix what was broken. I assume, not a brit
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Your assumption is correct. This will not be an easy or a smooth path. And it will happen in a few months. They've been talking about needing 10+ years to deliver their goals. But they need to show enough progress in about 4 or 5.
This was an interesting election.
- Labour won in a landslide, but voter turnout was low (lots if thoroughly disillusioned people).
- A lot of the new seats they won were by narrow margins, indicating that while they have a mandate, it's not as emphatic as the MO count might suggest.
- Regardless of their policies/objectives, Reform made good gains for a new party. Not many MOs to sit for it, but they will feel invigorated by how many races in which they outpaced the Tories.
- The Liberal Democrats has a fantastic night, increasing their MP count by something like x7.
- The Scottish independence cause took a hit with the collapse of the SNP.
- This election was a spectacular culmination of missteps (both individual and organizational) for the Tories. And this might have been a mortal wound for a nearly 200 party that will massively change British politics. Such a collapse hasn't been witnessed for centuries. If they survive it might be as a nationalistic husk within which the Reform party takes up residence. Though nothing is certain for the Tories at this point. They might come back from the brink of death; they might shuffle back to the centre; they might become a third party for the next couple of decades; etc. Labour had to do a huge rebuild over the last 5 years and managed it. But their situation is very different from the Tories, so that analogy isn't the best.
It’s a very good morning. Nice to have a little bit of hope that things can get better.
Good. Good for you all - hopefully other countries get to experience something similar soon.
I donno, anybody remember Obama? Trudeau?
Keep this guy accountable and call out the bullshit.
The last party set the bar so low it's painted on the floor, so just saying the right things feels like significant progress regardless of if actual actions are taken.
Reform UK is waiting in the wings for the jaded masses if Labour doesn't follow through, and the jaded masses don't understand that voting for the wolf to punish the fox is a dumb thing for rabbits to do.
As your bard said, words pay no debts, give deeds.
UK still has the stupid house of lords, but maybe Labour has enough support to get rid of that too?
Apart from being stupid by life time membership, it's extra stupid for having mandated religious influence. Truly a leftover from medieval times that has no place in a modern democracy.
The House of Lords serves as a check and balance against a government running amok. Now, they're not necessarily a good check or balance, but every government needs one. Very occasionally they have been - to be mildly disingenuous - useful idiots. (And occasionally, obstinate asses, but I digress.)
Ideally though, we could do with a House of ... whatever's below Common, because if the ones in the Commons are commoners, what does that make the rest of us?
And how would we stop corruption in this lower, lower house?
But nonetheless, it would be useful for a government to have to take heed of people who are closer to the real world. (And I don't just mean MPs' surgeries or correspondence because the repercussions for falling behind on that are slim at best.)
The House of Lords serves as a check and balance against a government running amok.
But checks and balances from a body that by design is vastly conservative and somewhat religious is not a FAIR checks and balances.
If the government is elected democratically instead of first past the post like in UK, the checks and balances is democracy itself, but also the supreme court, as laws must align with the constitution.
Parlament is also a form of checks and balances.
So no House of lords is not a form of Checks and Balances, they are a form of oppressing the will of the people, so they don't take too much power or money away from the rich. That's what it was designed for, not as an instrument to improve democracy.
Ideally though, we could do with a House of … whatever’s below Common, because if the ones in the Commons are commoners, what does that make the rest of us?
Rulers will probably never be actually average. Even in a pretty good democracy. But I can say for sure, we are closer here in Denmark than the UK, because our democracy is better designed and more democratic.
The UK doesn’t have a constitution, and it won’t get one any time soon. They'd have to get rid of the monarchy first, and that isn’t going to happen.
Plenty of countries with monarchies have constitutions.
True. And none of those countries is the UK.
“I do think people need hope, but it needs to be what I call ordinary hope, realistic hope,” - Starmer
The future is, uh, not looking good.
Breathe a sigh of relief, Britain. The NHS is saved.
There's literally privatization proponents in this new labour government.
Glad Starmer won.