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New GNOME dialog on the right:

Apple's dialog:

They say GNOME isn't a copy of macOS but with time it has been getting really close. I don't think this is a bad thing however they should just admit it and then put some real effort into cloning macOS instead of the crap they're making right now.

Here's the thing: Apple's design you'll find that they carefully included an extra margin between the "Don't Save" and "Cancel" buttons. This avoid accidental clicks on the wrong button so that people don't lose their work when they just want to click "Cancel".

So much for the GNOME, vision and their expert usability team :P

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 18 points 1 day ago

Who gives a shit. Use the desktop you like. Don't post this /g/ tier bait.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Gnome is so much better than Mac OS

Also it is kind of insulting to call gnome a clone of something else. It is the work of thousands of people all over the globe. It isn't trying to be a copy of anything.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is the work of thousands of people all over the globe. It isn't trying to be a copy of anything.

There's a lot of ideology at play here.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah you are right. It just annoys me when people call it a cheap knock off.

[–] Chef6652@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I hope they continue learning lessons from other OSes.

I'm feeling like you are wrong about them outright copying. Some good things can be taken from macOS and Windows. But a lot of bad things too, which is why they are thinking it through.

Please do not reduce the community effort to "cloning macOS". It's insulting to the people working on it... Apple doesn't own modals or modal design.

Here there are not 20 ways of putting 3 buttons in a modal. They just happen to choose a way that will also work on mobile I guess.

Kudos for noticing this extra space which could enhance these kind of modals though.

I don't like everything Gnome has been doing, especially with the lack of customization or the status bar. But Gnome has been my go to for 7+ years and I like where it is going. Extensions are pretty fly too 👌

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 10 points 2 days ago

Sometimes when you get UI experts and users and engineers in the same room they iterate to similar outcomes because its the logical conclusion. Apples design in this case isn't ground breaking or even original.

If multiple species of jumping spider can independently evolve the ability to see red from different branches of their family tree, multiple dev teams can come to the same conclusion about what is more comfortable for reaching with consideration for left and right handed people on various types of screens.

The problem is so scoped these days, its fairly logical for UIs to come to the same outcome.

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[–] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Funny enough, I find Gnome to be more consistent and better thought than macOS... But that's just me.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

It is better :)

[–] electro1@infosec.pub 15 points 2 days ago

Not just you :)

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, I freaking love GNOME's UX/UI. But I switched to KDE for Wayland gaming.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

I'm using Gnome and VRR on Wayland with no issues. AMD 7800XT.

[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think that a lot of the recent GNOME design choices are merely because they're trying to improve usability on mobile devices. It also just so happens that Apple is trying to make the macOS desktop closer to iOS to encourage people to move from Windows. They have similar goals, which leads to similar design choices. And all design is derivative, anyway. Who cares.

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[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Here's the thing: Apple's design you'll find that they carefully included an extra margin between the "Don't Save" and "Cancel" buttons. This avoid accidental clicks on the wrong button so that people don't lose their work when they just want to click "Cancel".

And gnome has those dialogs in a different colour to achieve easily noticable differentiation between the two options

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[–] KrapKake@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (9 children)

As someone who tried out MacOS in a VM out of curiosity I don't find gnome to be like MacOS at all in overall functionality. I think to most people it just looks like Mac because top bar, dock and some design choices. Really though gnome is much more like Android. MacOS felt extremely clunky to use vs gnome's fluid workspace and app switching.

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[–] MXX53@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I started on gnome. I love it at first, but as time has gone on my experience with gnome had gotten worse and worse, and my KDE experience keeps getting better. It's a real shame because I actually tend to prefer the gnome look at feel, but KDE has been so much more usable for me in recent years.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

My only problem with both designs in your images is the colors. It’s a pretty standard part of UI design (in real life and on computers) that “red means cancel” and “green means continue.” Apple using blue is no big deal and I’m 90% sure they just use a user chosen “highlight color.” (Maybe Gnome as well?) But cancel or delete or similar things should probably be red or another color that signals “Stop.”

I’ve always thought Bootstrap, the web design library, has a good set of base colors. Red means danger. Light blue means info. Green means yes or success. Yellow means warning. Other buttons are a darker blue — basically the highlight color. (Not saying they chose the best version of those colors. Just that the general idea is consistency and what users most naturally expect.)

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

The “Save” button uses the accent color which is blue by default. With configurable accent colors coming to GNOME 47 and GTK/Libadwaita, you can choose a red accent color.

See the original description of the screenshot:

It’s now using standard button styles, fixing the long-standing issue where suggested and destructive buttons would look the same when using red accent color

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[–] Hjalamanger@feddit.nu 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I find that "carefully included extra margin" outrageously ugly

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's ugly, but useful.

(unlike me, I am ugly and useless /s)

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[–] ssm@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you're going to give GNOME shit, at least let it before how much they destroy portability of GTK, enabling cancer like Client Side Decorations, and ignoring their community when it comes to things like desktop icons.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

They made GTK4 portable thanks to the gnome design being moved to Libadwaita.

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[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The founder of GNOME, Miguel de Icaza, stopped using Linux in favor of macOS in 2014 iirc. That makes me guess that the macOS design was at least acceptable to him. Maybe the visions were similar enough.

[–] MrAlagos@feddit.it 5 points 2 days ago

What does the founder of GNOME have to do with GNOME in 2022? He worked for Microsoft for 6 years.

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[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Wait - Gnome user here (heavily modified and with multiple extensions) ...

macOS window management and trying to using it via keyboard is a totally miserable experience (forced to use it at work :-/ ) ... at the same time, Apple thinks their users are smart enough to use tags, while Gnome developers think the user are too dump to use tags. I still happily prefer Gnome over macOS on my desktop for literally everything, macOS has no proper software management, all apps try to up-sell me on their shitty i-cloud offerings, setup cannot be properly automated, the 'auto features' totally suck and do everything I do not want them to do and macOS feels too slow for the hardware it runs on...

Gnome sucks, but it sucks less for me than all other alternatives on the desktop at the moment...

My biggest reason to stick with Gnome are Wayland, Evolution/Online Accounts and that I can automatically configure Gnome to something usable with dconf/gsettings. I am not holding my breath that KDE ever gets their KMail story under control, stability as in zero crashes and being fully configurable via Ansible. The very moment this happens, I'll happily jump ship. (Of course also waiting for Wayland support for Xfce :-P)

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