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Tap for contextSome woman on the internet said she would feel safer spending a night in the woods with a random bear rather than with a random man

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[–] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are we talking brown bears or black bears?

Brown bears are violently territorial and will attack you for being in eyeshot.

Black bears are basically giant racoons and will move away from people - especially if you're making loud noises and making yourself look big - because they don't want that smoke. They'll only get aggressive if you surprise them or get anywhere near their younglings.

I'd probably take a black bear over a lot of dudes. As long as we got a good hundred feet or so of distance, Mr Bear and I ain't gonna bother each other.

[–] Soulcreator@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Totally agreed, the question is so vague it's absurd. Are we talking a panda or a grizzly? Is the man a locked-in paraplegic or an violent ex con?

Regardless how you answer there's always another possibility that makes your decision look stupid.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but that's a different scenario all togther. Not all men are dangerous rapists, obviously. But enough are prone to assault and SA that it's statistically safer to have some random bear (possibly grizzly or teddy) than some random man. If you don't feel like the random guy walking down the street is dangerous, that's probably because random men on the street don't regularly harass you, which is unfortunately still a very common occurance to most women.

[–] Soulcreator@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

While I understand and respect your viewpoint, I'm not quite sure you understand what I'm saying here... The question is designed to be a no win scenario, it's phrased in such a vague way that no matter how you answer someone else can chime in and say oh no, your not imagining the terrible scenario I'm imagining. There's literally no way of answering it in a way that someone is going to chime in and tell your wrong.

It's literally designed to be a test designed to gauge your reaction more than it is to be answered seriously.

Without more info one can't possibly respond in a legitimate manner. And any responses without additional information is more of a mirror to your own personal disposition and fears than it is a legitimate response to the question.

[–] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago

I'm incredibly bear pilled ngl, as long as I stay a decent distance from it and don't do anything dumb I'll be fine, with a random guy idk what might happen, there's no certain set of rules to follow to get me out of the situation safely - I'll probably be with a perfectly normal well adjusted guy or I might be with some super transphobe who sees a small visibly trans girl alone in the woods away from all civilisation with no witnesses or some incel who sees his opportunity to get some, regardless of consent. In the bear scenario, all of the power is in my hands to just make sure that I don't do anything dumb and as long as I don't I'll be fine, in the man scenario I just have to trust the luck of the draw to give me a decent man to be alone in the woods with.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I am unironically bearpilled in this context. Men can be fucking scary with women. At least I'm unlikely to be SA'd before I die, with the bear.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're right. A bear wouldn't sexually assault you, he would simply kill you.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes! As opposed to the man, who would SA me and then kill me!

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

And also possibly eat you.

Look canonically the worst a bear will ever do is two out of three, only men have hit the hat trick

[–] liuther9@feddit.nl -1 points 2 months ago

Why by default man is a serial killer and sa? What are the odds that dude is a psycho? What are the odds that bear is a killer? Do you understand how hard it is psychologically to murder someone if you are a normal person?

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Context: Some woman on the internet said she would feel safer spending a night in the woods with a random bear rather than with a random man

Some woman

Not "some woman" — quite a few women. Lots of women.

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m a man and even I would pick a bear

[–] lud@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Really? What people do you usually hang around with?

Bears are incredibly strong and dangerous and will kill you just for fun.

I would honestly prefer a random man to a fucking moose.

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago

Man is more unpredictable than bear. I know A bear can kill me, but I have no idea what a random man has in mind for me.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The scale is shark > bear > man > moose. Don’t fuck with moose.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Large prey animals in general. I see a hippo im running

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Won't help, those fuckers go 30 mph. Usain bolt only managed 23 dot something for comparison

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean... on sight doesn't mean they're already chasing, the point is to avoid that

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Don't make eye contact, don't attract attention, get the almighty fuck out.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I get the sentiment, but realistically I'll still pick the random man. A man could kill or rape me. A bear is likely to kill me.

[–] Skkorm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Actually a bear is very unlikely to come after you. I come from an extremely rural part of Alberta, Canada, and large bears would sometimes wander in and near town. They wouldn't run around swiping people up and murdering them, they would just basically wander around eating garbage and looking for food. The reality is that if you were in the woods with a random bear, unless it was starving or you were near its Cubs, it likely wouldn't see you as important.

I'll tell you what though. The bodies of indigenous women would get found in the woods sometimes. Bears didn't put them there, men did.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Statistical error. Unlikely to encounter a bear; but per bear encounter, less likely to survive than per men encounter.

Serial killers and rapists are very clever and because there exist serial killers who want to kill indigenous women in the woods, they will likely succeed. Bears have no such desire, and because indigenous women are clever they will avoid the bears.

But I'm willing to bet that the odds of a random man being a rapist/murderer are much lower than a random bear deciding to kill me.

It's hard thing to think about because our brains want to rephrase the situation into taking account how likely it is to encounter men vs bears in the first place. That's why this isn't very applicable to, say, staying safe at night or in bars.

...except it is. This is why, if you have to take a ride home with a strange man, it's much safer to go with an arbitrary man of your choosing than the one who offers.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As my wife put it, if the bear kill me, nobody would ask how I was dressed.

[–] femtech@midwest.social 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah, if I get attacked by a bear the police won't blame, interrogate, and shame me. I won't be looked down on as broken or used.

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

Actually statistics show that an encounter with a bear is orders of magnitude more dangerous than an encounter with a man. Obviously. I encounter 1000s of men as I was down the street and I'm not dead yet.

Yes, it's very unlikely to run into a bear. But if that's the point you're making, you're missing the predicate of the question where the encounter is already assumed.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That post frustrated the fuck out of me. Like I get and agree with the point you're trying to make. But no, if you were actually given that choice no reasonable person is actually going to pick the bear.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The bear isn't likely to want to screw with you.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't a reasonable person pick the bear? Plenty of people have just ordinary, totally safe experiences with bears in their normal lives. Meanwhile, they have ordinary SV committed against them by men in their normal lives. Why shouldn't they pick the group that hasn't been a constant threat to them? Its not asking you to try to pick a fight with the bear.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why wouldn’t a reasonable person pick the bear?

Because you're comparing a wild animal that can easily kill you with a single swipe, with a random normal person?

Plenty of people have just ordinary, totally safe experiences with bears in their normal lives.

I can, with 10,000,000,000% certainty tell you that way more people have vastly more ordinary, totally safe experiences with random men in their normal lives than with bears.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

Because you’re comparing a wild animal that can easily kill you with a single swipe, with a random normal person?

Can easily kill is different than likely to. Plus, the same is true of any human, but they're also much more likely to have outcomes far worse than quickly being just being killed. Its a random person in the woods, not just a *normal *person (whatever "normal" is supposed to mean). But honestly, I don't think I'd put it past many "normal" humans (men and women) to commit at least minor SV in the "right" circumstances.

I can, with 10,000,000,000% certainty tell you that way more people have vastly more ordinary, totally safe experiences with random men in their normal lives than with bears.

Sure, but I'm just as certain that women have far more experiences with SV from humans than any violence from bears. Even if they're actual survivors of bear attacks, they're likely the victim of far more SV by men.

[–] Sauvandu60@lemmy.id 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

According to science, logical and rational thinking, meeting a random man in the Woods is much better option than meeting a random bear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aOOuMQkIzU

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The thing these arguments never take into account is a fate worse than death.

That's the point you're missing.

Think about why someone would prefer the much more likely bear mauling to the much less likely worst case scenario with a man. If you can wrap your head around that, then consider why these women had that answer ready to go with very little thought. Considerations of a fate worse than death is something that women live with from the age where they first notice grown men noticing them. That averages 11 or 12 years old by the way. Maybe younger if their parents were a little more candid with them than the generic "stranger danger."

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

I knew I had to have the talk about men when my girls turned nine. They were playing basketball and one of the dads made a comment about a girl and said “she is going to grow up and look like Mia Kalif (I don’t know how to spell her name, the porn star) and be a hot piece of ass.”

Oh, yeah…you mean that nine year old? The fuck is wrong with you.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'd rather do neither but at least I know all the safety guidelines for how to not get a bear to tear my ass apart

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Right, this is what folks aren’t understanding.

Yes a big ass bear is clearly more dangerous but like in reality the random man is much more variable and there are WAY more examples of what we’re capable of as opposed to what a bear does.

A bears nature is understood.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The bear discourse is the true measure of whether a given man is a red or green flag.

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don t think thats right , I think everyone just underestimate the danger of a bear .

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Have you spoken to women about it?