Genocide is definitely politics, but should definitely be talked about.
this post was submitted on 20 May 2024
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Restrictions on “politics” always and forever mean restrictions on heterodox political positions, while allowing orthodox views.
1000% this. I live in the bible belt and am a big burly bearded bastard so people "quiet part out loud" at me with supersonic speed (1). I'd almost make a mortgage payment if I had a buck for every time someone said some ridiculous shit then I got in trouble for "getting political" aka politely and calmly engaging with the statement just made directly to me.
I didn't make it political. The person saying trans folk should "wear the right clothing" made it political. I believe the word you're looking for is "uncomfortable," and if you don't want it to get uncomfortable maybe tell HIM not to get political. If he says it, I have a right to respond - and silencing my speech but not his is an explicit endorsement of his speech.
(1) It has literally happened in like 5 sentences or less between even me and a stranger multiple times. "Hey what's up" "nothing much started a new job" "cool, I haven't worked in a bit but I worked at target for a bit" "why? Target funds ANTIFA TERRORISTS"
That's true to an extent. It's more about avoiding arguments, though, and less about whether the view is orthodox.
For example, some views are so out there and unaligned that people will just think it's a joke and not fault you unless you start seriously arguing for it, like if you say murder should be legal.
On the other hand, some orthodox views would still get restricted because they're contentious. Like if you start talking about how you believe in equal rights, that's something most people agree with (at least in principle,) and it shouldn't be political. But it's going to ruffle some feathers anyways (especially if you get any more specific than that,) so it'd be restricted.
So basically, it either has to be so out there that people won't think you're serious, or so commonplace that people won't even consider that it could result in arguments.
would still get restricted because they’re contentious. Like if you start talking about how you believe in equal rights, that’s something most people agree with (at least in principle,) and it shouldn’t be political. But it’s going to ruffle some feathers anyways (especially if you get any more specific than that,) so it’d be restricted.
If this is the best example you can come up with, it is fairly unconvincing that any mainstream political will be restricted.
I don't have a strong sense of what's mainstream because I usually only engage with politics in a left-leaning online space that was popularized by a protest against a corporation. Can you think of anything mainstream that's likely to get a pass? I'm 80% sure if you can, it's going to be because someone will see it and not even consider that it could cause an argument because it's such a given... I'll drop that down to 50% if you're trying to pick an example to prove me wrong.
Everything is political. And yes, genocide should be talked about, especially ongoing genocides.
Technically, yes, everything is political if you make it political. But you have to make it political first. Petting your cat isn't inherently political unless you bring up the government policies and economical structures that allow you to own the cat in the first place, or compare your attitude towards the cat to a political stance, or something else of that ilk.
In the same way, everything is scientific if you study it scientifically, and everything is theological if you consider it from a theological perspective. It's technically true, but that doesn't make it useful. It says more about the way you think than the nature of reality, especially as politics are a social construct.
Well it depends on the definition. What I mean is that it's not about opinions, it's about facts
Both of those statements are categorically false.
In Sweden they seem to be trying to make the first one true. A university made it forbidden to have 'any conversation that may be interpreted as political to a passer-by' anywhere on campus. It was celebrated by the minister for higher education (liberal party member) as a brilliant step against "wokeness". It was retracted, because it is not possible to enforce. But the government is doing an investigation against universities to root out "wokeness".
But the government is doing an investigation against universities to root out “wokeness”.
Which is a course of action rooted in politics.
Specifically, fascism.
In Germany it's normal to discuss politics in school, is even part of the curriculum. It's just highly prohibited to discuss parties.
Discuss politics for 40 hours without mentioning a party
The American mind cannot comprehend this
You are allowed to mention them and explain what they officially stand for, we even made roleplays, to simulate how the parliament works (the class was distributed into parties according to the distribution of Parliament at that time and everybody tried to pass a law), it's too tricky for me to explain the fineprint in english , sorry ;)
It is in America too. I had to debate shit like gay marriage in high school. We even have mandatory civics classes that teach you how the government works and my teacher told us how jury nullification works and why you should never talk to cops
We sure do NOT have universally mandatory civics, not anymore. I graduated in 09 and my school district didn't teach anyone anything beyond the basics of the voting system.
Also university is exactly where politics is best discussed.
The closest thing to genocide in Ukraine is the conscription carried out by the banderite government for the meat grinder of an unwinnable war.
No, the closest thing to genocide in Ukraine is the genocide being carried out by russia and defended by crypto-fascists
No need to resort to incoherent name-calling.
Russia invaded Ukraine, but war is not genocide, as much as the banderite government likes to turn everything into genocide to minimize their history of the original Banderites and other collaborators perpetrating the actual Holocaust.
If Russia wanted to carry out the war in a way that involved genocide, just carpet-bombing cities or things like that, it absolutely could, it has maybe the second or third strongest air force in the world. Luckily for everyone involved (other than perhaps frontline Russians), Russia knows that it shouldn't do that, and so it isn't.
I don't see why you feel the need to so readily call people who disagree with you fascists. I don't think you're a fascist, I just think you're a well-meaning individual who was tricked by the PR of a liberal-fascist alliance. What would make me a fascist? I certainly don't like Russia, I don't have some fantasy of the Eurasian peninsula united under the Russian Federation. I'm not here to tell you that Putin is a good guy, he's a mafioso like you see at the head of most liberal states. I've got no problem with people speaking Ukrainian, though I sure wish they'd find a better national hero than, it must be repeated, a literal perpetrator of the Holocaust, but I also think those weirdos in Russia who worship the pogromist Tsar Nicholas II should get a better idol as well. Please, tell me what kind of fascist I am.
Which crypto-fascists are these?
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part I: The Origins of the OUN 1917-1941
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part II: The OUN during World War 2, 1941-1945
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part III: 1944-1963 UPA War, Ratlines, and the Assassination of Stepan Bandera
- History of Fascism in Ukraine Part IV: The Global OUN Network in Exile, 1962-1992
- The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- AP, 2014: Airstrike in eastern Ukraine kills 11 civilians
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
- Truthout, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Consortium News, 2022: Evidence of US-Backed Coup in Kiev
How's the anti-terrorist operation in Donbas going, champ? Oh, half the Ukrainian army left to fight for the RuZZian terrorists?! Yikes, better call Lindsay Graham, Amy Klobuchar, John McCain, and Victoria Nuland, the real architects of the plan. I'm sure the West's limitless arsenal and money will be able to support Ukraine against those dirty bydlo vatniks, heh heh. After all, haven't you seen all those videos on reddit of their crazy shit falling apart? This is gonna be a piece of cake.
How many of those engineers are gonna end up at Lockheed or Raytheon?
Wait... y'all have restrictions about that? In my school, only the teachers aren't allowed to be biased (they are, still tho)
Not official restrictions. I heard this from other students actually
Everything is politics, and should be talked about.
Also this would've been much more fitting with the Luhansk 
or Donetsk 
flags instead of the Kiev regime's, since the post-2014 coup government did commit a genocide in Eastern Ukraine.
Or use the Ukraine flag since Russia is currently committing genocide with forced relocations including children. Russification is not great.
You'd have to be completely out of your mind to call the Donbas war a genocide. And that's coming from Russian national who frequently calls out Ukraine government for being the same sort of garbage as Russian, if not much worse.
So unless this is some form of high level meta-sarcasm and/or trolling, I'd advise you and everyone who upvoted this to seek therapy.
Yes. It's a screenshot of our template for the r/place. I included Ukraine because some people disliked it too
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong!