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[–] Metz@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

the court accused him of an “ideology of maximum privacy.”

In what twisted fucked up crazy world is that a bad thing?

I hate this timeline..

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[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

By this logic DARPA should be put on trial for creating TOR

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

By this logic every locksmith should be put on trial for making locks, every manufacturer of vaults and safes, every lumber company for making wood used in fences, every costume designer for making halloween masks, every post office for renting PO boxes... etc.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That would be the story if a lifetime

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Due to its mode of operation, the court considered the software to be “specifically intended for criminals”

Crime is an action a state doesn't like, not necessarily wrong or evil, but serves interests other than the state. If the state has to authorize everything, then the state is favoring dominance over governance.

When the state has to monitor all transactions it is tyranny.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The state is just the abstraction of the collective will of the governed, if the Dutch people have determined this is a crime against their society, then it is.

The state holds a monopoly on violence, another monopoly isn’t a stretch.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 3 points 5 months ago

That's really only in theory. I don't think there's any country where the government does what the polis wants in every instance.

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

Collective will is just the myth that is used to legitimize the state

The state is also so much more than the will of the governed. To say that it is all there is to it would consider governments like those governed by the divine right of kings fo be stateless. Stalin’s Russia, or Kim Jong Un’s DPRK would then be stateless.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
  1. Dutch court convicts engieneer, not Dutch engieneer gets convicted.
  2. I wouldn't be surprised if Dutch court wants to say that he should have stayed in Russia and supported Putin's war.
[–] kn98@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dutch court convicts engieneer, not Dutch engieneer gets convicted.

Honest question, what do you mean by this? What’s the difference really?

[–] uis@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] kn98@feddit.nl 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Looks like development of such things will have to start happening on the dark web. What a ridiculous conviction.

In its judgement, the court accused him of an “ideology of maximum privacy.”

What the fuck is this kind of reasoning? Is privacy illegal now?

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Oops I'm a privacy maximalist now, I didn't even know. Time to privacymaxx this removed up !!

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn, even your slurs get maximum privacy.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

I can't say removed ?? That's removed removed !!!

[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Some famous ex felon and computer hacker named Kevin Mitnick wrote some books about privacy maxing, you might want to read a few of them. I guess he's still a felon, he just served his sentence and is no longer in prison. He did legit steal some people's identity and commit wire fraud.

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[–] ced225be4a26@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The same logic should apply to manufacturers whose products are used in committing a crime...

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That logic they're using should be burned with fire.

With that logic, cars being highjacked for a crime should make the company liable for the crime (Revolutionary actions would also count as crimes). That gives car manufacturers alot more legal reason for adding kill switches to their vehicles' engines, which would most likely be used by cops for whatever the fuck they want.

How about DJI's drones being used to kill individuals in Ukraine? Steam decks are currently also being used by Ukraine to control machine gun turrets remotely, and they're able to be used that way explicitly because they use regular OS's (a major boon to its users.)

This type of regulation would only further lead to anti-consumer products, and a stronger police state.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (25 children)

Uhh really hope that's sarcasm...

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[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So they throw vendors of knives in jail too?

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

No, but they throw vendors of screwdrivers in jail too.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

How is that a privacy tool?

I think you meant vendors of safes.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

And vendors of locks.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago
[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully, not all is lost. He has appealed and hopefully a greater authority will overturn this ruling.

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[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Absolutely disgusting. Privacy is a right!

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This happens with cash too. If you take in a bunch of cash, you have a duty to know what it's from so that you're not facilitating terrorism or crime or subverting sanctions. In fact, of you handle cash or finance, you generally have to take training on these laws every year.

This thing is the definition of money laundering and was known for exactly those problems.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

There's no reason people using tornado wouldn't have to disclose their sources to the authorities, same as cash.

But it does protect them from malicious actors.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

But in essence, they are punishing this guy for writing code. And at least in the United States, code is considered speech. And this is a very bad precedent. I know that this is a Dutch court, but still that is not a good thing.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

It's continental system. Precedents don't have as much power as in English system. And Netherlands are in ECHR jurisdiction, so it's likely to be ~~overturned~~ found contradicting European Convention on Human Rights.

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[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

There are reasons to use this service that are completely legal. They should sentence the people laundering money, not the people providing privacy tools that happen to be misused.

[–] mister_monster@monero.town 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, we agree. It's still a bunch of bullshit.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Wasn't the arrest over a year ago? How much time is left on the sentence?

This is terrible, but 5 years is pretty tolerable. Assange is in locked up for being a journalist and faces life in tortuous conditions.

Also, write your MEP and vote pirate party.

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