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[–] e8d79@feddit.de 14 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Blogspam that links to a 'news' website that just regurgitates this reddit thread. Somebody explain to me why is this upvoted so heavily.

[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 10 points 6 months ago

Windows bad, updoots to the left

[–] JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone 6 points 6 months ago

I mean the minute you see "Copilot bad, from windowscopilot[dot]news" should surely raise some flags

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

Coz noone reads that stuff besides the title.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is the high quality journalism we want

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Windows bad, ai bad. Upvote. Thought isn't a big consideration here.

[–] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Lemmy sucks at sourcing but rocks at being opinionated.

[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 13 points 6 months ago

I'm surprised Windows users even want windows 🤷

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[–] SolNine@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 months ago

Given the reality that Linux simply isn't viable for some people (including myself), I highly recommend using this tool.

https://christitus.com/windows-tool/

Between this, and manually uninstalling a lot of bloat (or using a specific type of windows install) and a few other tweaks, windows becomes significantly more usable.

Disabling garbage in the task bar, removing Cortana and indexing services, etc etc, it can also add a fairly decent uplift in performance.

I'm sure there is still telemetry being collected but significantly less and less impact on my user experience and day to day performance.

Oh and make sure you turn off auto/feature updates!

[–] Zworf@beehaw.org 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

It's a useful feature but it doesn't need space on my taskbar or a special button on my keyboard. That's just marketing BS. The same as with the huge search bar, because I can just press the start button and start typing and it does the same.

Unfortunately Microsoft is incredibly bad at marketing. They generally succeed only at pissing users off. Now they're doing the same again with copilot and dumping a ton of totally different products under the same name.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[–] Syndic@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago

As long as it's a easily toogled off as the search bar is, I don't mind.

Them getting rid of the ability to have different windows of the same kind with full title bar next to each other IMHO is a much bigger pain.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I asked it how to get rid of it.

It decided my aggressive language was not okay and kept ending the "conversation" which only managed to piss me off even more.

If I want to curse at my f$king computer, I'm going to curse at my f$king computer. I paid for the damned thing, and it is a thing, not a person, I can yell at it all I want and not hurt it in any way so this policing of what we can say to it is all the more bizarre to me.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obedience module not detected, contractual obligations terminated

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago

It's okay, I've already switched to Linux

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[–] Alice@beehaw.org 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Have Windows users ever wanted a single thing they added since XP? It seems like every time I upgrade they add some cluttery nonsense I can't get rid of. I moved to Windows 10 for software compatibility, and I still hate it.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They added a lot of things since XP that I enjoy, like window management, multiple desktops. I don't know if they were specifically requested by windows users, but contrary to your opinion they are welcome changes. Users don't always know what they want.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Eh fair, to me that's just severely outweighed by the bloatware and needing third party apps to customize the UI how I used to like. It feels uglier and bulkier and like they took away a ton of good functions.

[–] sqgl@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was a free version of virtual desktops already available.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

To me that proves that the feature was in demand. That's why it's included now.

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Have Windows users ever wanted a single thing they added since XP?

The new terminal for example is a rather neat improvement over the old command prompt, especially with the integration of Linux systems. Winget also is rather nice. Just two examples. So yeah with all the valid criticism Microsoft deserves for quite a bit of policies, I don't think your hyperbole holds up.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I put Copilot on MY taskbar —Microsoft

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago

Exactly. It's Microsoft ffs. They don't care what consumers want. The only time they do anything truly beneficial is when the EU makes them.

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[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This is like staying in an abusive relationship and then complaining about how abusive their partner is. Get the fuck out of there. Linux works like a charm. OK, now come at me with your bullshit excuses of "Linux bad" "mah games", "my Adobe" blah blah blah. Staying in this abusive relationship is what makes microshit what it is.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Unfortunately Linux does not "work like a charm" and you need a fucking degree in command line to use it because that's the way Linux developers and users like it.

[–] xubu@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago

For real. Literally yesterday, reboot my computer and Nvidia drivers that had worked fine the day before no longer functioned resulting in my screen resolution being reduced and unchangeable.

Had to run a few commands to fix it but they are not obvious to me as a new-ish Linux user. Something about dkms being a dependency but not configured?

To recover, I had to:

sudo apt purge nvidia-*

sudo apt autoremove

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/

sudo apt install nvidia-dkms-550

(Reinstall Nvidia 550 drivers)

Why did I have to do all this? I ask that rhetorically, but Id like to know so I can understand what went wrong. Linux is non-trivial and people who deny that are not seeing things clearly. Then again, triviality of use isn't particularly the most salient to me. Rather, it's a mixture of is there enough compatibility to what I use my desktop for, is it reasonably easy to use for most tasks, and does it give me the freedom I want for the device.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

i know you hate to hear this, but you wont get rid of these shenanigans unless you move to linux.

proprietary software devs will always be looking for more ways to monetize you.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

For the average user this is like a minor annoyance like once a month. Not worth switching OS's over.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 2 points 6 months ago

It's not clippy and if it replaces the pointless error diagnosis system currently running I'm all for it. I've had no issues with it as a product in ides just basically advanced spell check.

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago (6 children)

How many times are we going to have to teach you this lesson, old man. Don't fuck with the task bar.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 months ago

IT don't like it. Lock the taskbar. Lock the taskbar.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i have it on mine and i actually use it. i don't see what's the big deal; it's tucked over in the far bottom right of the screen out of the way and it's not intrusive.

[–] GlennicusM@beehaw.org 3 points 6 months ago

That's all cool and good. What Microsoft needs to be doing is not adding shit to people's PCs without their consent and make it easier to remove them (preferably during installation)

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago

I asked it how to uninstall itself. It responded with the command line. I copy and pasted (this was probably dangerous, given that LLMs lie, but whatever). Now I no longer have it on my task bar. This is sort of like the open edge to get Firefox deal I’ve always had when using a fresh install.

[–] xyguy@startrek.website 2 points 6 months ago

There's a new proof of concept malware that when an AI processes it causes arbitrary code execution and spreads itself to everyone on the victims email list.

This requires no input from the user

Yes please put more of this crap into every crevice of the OS.

[–] Faydaikin@beehaw.org 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I think that, regardless of brand, most users just want the most basic (almost blank slate) OS that can run the programs they choose to install.

And that is close to, if not completely, impossible to get if you don't have a mind for Linux.

[–] jetsetdorito@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I actually thought Microsoft was doing pretty well 2015-2020, then these past few years some of their decisions have felt really anti user

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's perfect timing too. Right as Linux becomes an extremely strong competitor (feature wise, not market share yet) they decide to enshitify more than they already were and decide to fuck the user. It made me leave about a year ago, and it's been amazing since.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

You get AI tools shoved down your throat everywhere nowadays. Whether you want it and it's useful or not.

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[–] Xavier@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This is beautifully familiar.

Am I seeing too many similarities between how Twitter/X was taken over and singlehandedly being irreversibly ruined?

While Windows is stubbornly becoming increasingly user-adversarial (advertising, constant intrusive updates, forced transition from your favorite browser to Microsoft Edge, etc.) and unintuitive (sometimes even counter intuitive) interface design, placement and inaccessible settings.

Well, delighting in schadenfreude, I won't complain. Microsoft is inadvertently helping me help transition many friends, family and colleagues to various flavors of Linux systems, namely Linux Mint (whichever desktop they prefer) and/or Pop!OS most of the time, but also occasionally Fedora or a particular flavor of Ubuntu.

I never recommend Arch or rolling release systems or immutable systems to first time Linux user so as to preemptively avoid additional layers of complexity, learning curve, downtime and troubleshooting.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

I am looking to move to linux, again, due to ALL the amazing work Steam is putting into gaming on linux. Much of my flat game library works on the test laptop, my streaming software has linux native install. The 1 issue holding me back at this point is my OG Vive screens not turning on, tho the laptop monitor shows my VR environment. Once I get over that hurdle my days of windows will be almost over.

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