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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 months ago

nobody ever talks about enron anymore. The CEO only got like 5 years for that. Nobody talks about nortel anymore, the CEO got no time for that, and a shit ton of money, all the employees had no pension.

Etc, etc, etc...

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The guy didn't say or post much directly about it. Sometimes people do crazy shit for very little reason. You couple that with the ability to get guns easily, mass quantities of ammo, and bump stocks, you have yourself a bloody stew.

People love patterns, but sometimes there just isn't one. There is no single profile for a mass shooter. The closest you get is male and either 15-24 or 35-44.

Most people shoot others for grievances and having a shitty life. Sometimes not though. Many shooters don't even take their own life. Plenty of them are still on the run.

The easiest answer is that the vast majority of how our society runs is through the fear or threat of death. The moment someone starts wanting it, they're capable of nearly anything.

Most people see the greener pasture of nothingness between the loop of a noose at home. Some decide to kill and maim before they go out.

Unfortunately because of the 2nd amendment, it lets people rampage easily with high body counts before dying

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Most people see the green pasture or love of nothingness between the noose in their own home.

Unexpectedly poetic

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah I edited it a bit after since it was kinda worded odd. Joys of mobile.

The old image of a 4chan post or something of a hanging noose and through it was a green idyllic field has always stuck with me.

[–] puntyyoke@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Because there's another mass shooting every couple days. It's hard to care about why one dude did something crazy 7 years ago while bullets are still flying. People are much more focused on trying to stop the next one.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I agree with all of that, except for the part about people being focused on trying to stop the next one.

If anyone was actually serious about that, we wouldn't average more than one per day across the U.S.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

We have tried nothing and we are all out of options.

[–] rainynight65@feddit.de 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Ah c'mon, give them credit where it's due. They didn't try nothing - thoughts and prayers were tried in abundance.

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[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

Gotta appreciate how I Googled that phrase, clicked on the first YouTube link, and the very first comment was along the lines of “US conservatives reacting to mass shootings”

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Focused on trying to stop the next one in every way except restricting guns, or funding mental health care, or reducing hate, or... Well anything that takes more than thoughts and prayers.

What a country.

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[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People are much more focused on trying to stop the next one.

Are they really? What is really being done?

[–] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

A lotta hope. My 3 minutes are penciled in tomorrow at 2pm. Same 3 minutes my legislators spend on it. Gotta have hope!¹


  1. “Gotta have hope!” is a thing you hear in cancer wards and places where people know in their souls that there is no hope.
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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago

In 2024 there have been more "mass shooting events" in the US than there have been days in 2024.

One that happened 7 years ago isn't top of mind for most people.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This, like any event, comes down to what the family does to keep a case going. There’s many cold cases that are now getting solved by family members rather than police.

There is no agency out there that will keep interest in an issue.

once the media is done with it(they have a super short attention span) and the police will spend all of a few weeks on most things it is the family that keep the interest going. They will pay out of pocket to get attention for it.

There’s even cases where family members that have investigated into commercial air craft incidents because they lost loved ones and helped solve cases on that.

Believe it or not there are people calling the police every day just to keep their attention on a missing person or murder, asking for new leads. These are family members.

Police will not do this on their own.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Worse: the police DO NOT SOLVE CRIME. Think of all the hundreds of thousands of untested rape kits. Think of all the stories about someone being murdered because the police decided that it was a "civil" matter.

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s part of Vegas’ branding strategy.

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

[–] MrBusiness@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 months ago

If only they hadn't made that legally binding.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

If Americans can be numb to mass killings of elementary school children, Vegas never stood a chance of remaining in the public discourse.

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[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

It's because of what you said: no motive. Crime like this is only sensational when the motive can be applied to some fictional stereotype of villain that could be stopped by new legislation or a war or whatever.

Also I think a big reason we don't discuss this specific event is the caliber of rifle used. Contrary to popular belief, non "assault" weapons can do a shocking amount of damage in an environment where the targets can't retaliate. See the Virginia Tech shooting.

Long story short: if it ain't political and can't be made political, people in the US won't care for long.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was seemingly no political motive so there's no real reason to report on it anymore

I searched it a week ago to check how many people israel killed during their flour massacare. Because both involved shooting bullets into dense crowds.

The hotel massacare killed 60 people

Israel's flour massacare killed 120 people.

So that basically sums up. The hotel massacare wasn't "that big of a deal".

[–] PopcornTin@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Kinda like the superb owl parade or Thanksgiving parade (last year or two?) shootings. No political use, no story to report.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was a shooting at the superb owl parade?? I don't even remember hearing about it.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Kansas City had a shooting at their victory parade.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

So fun fact

The reason why it was the deadliest shooting is because the shitstain was using a bump stock, which makes semiautomatics into pseudo-automatics, so he just mag dumped into a crowd

After it happened, the Trump admin of all fucking people banned bump stocks. Broken clock or something.

Now SCOTUS is about to hear a court case to repeal the ban, and they look poised to legalize bump stocks again under the BS reason that "they're not technically automatic weapons"

With the added bonus that now everyone knows about them

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (22 children)

Not trying to minimize the bump stock thing but I would wager that having 23 different guns and hundreds of rounds of ammo is why so many people got shot that night. This guy had it all planned out including bipods, red dots, cameras etc. this guy even went as far as to nailing his door shut so in any case someone got to his hotel before he was done, he would have extra time.

Yeah the bump stocks made a difference but I don't think it was by that much.

https://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/list-guns-and-evidence-from-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock

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[–] fustigation769curtain@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I was just thinking about it.

I think the motive was the guy was angry at the world and wanted to kill as many people as possible before killing himself.

A man that feels he has nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A man that feels he has nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.

There is no defense against the berserker.

-- Sir Terry Pratchett

Anyone with no regard for their own safety and a will to harm others is always dangerous

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[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

A man that feels he has nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.

Billionaires with nothing to gain but money for moneys sake are far more dangerous, it’s just they are going to kill your loves ones with crushing debt or an opioid prescription not a bullet.

Between 1999 and 2015, around 350,000 people died from opioid addiction related deaths in the US.

350,000

Guess whether any of the Sacklers went to jail who knowingly pushed opioid prescriptions in situations where it was dangerous or unnecessary based rational from studies conducted to purposefully sell more opioids?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352827319300096#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20CDC%2C%20there,counties%20from%201999%20through%202015.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

A man that feels he has nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.

Especially if he has easy access to large quantities of weapons and ammunition.

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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

For the most part Americans are so desensitized to the gain Violence that it’s not something most of us think about much.

I’ve grown up in a post Columbine world, and mass shootings have been a part of my life since it started. They’re just a really unfortunate part of life here that won’t change unless there’s a massive culture shift.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I like target shooting and clay pigeon shooting. I am also pro-guns because I think progressives should learn and know how to defend themselves. I don’t like or agree with animal/fox hunting as that’s just barbaric. I also don’t think people should get unrestricted access to certain types of weapons.

So I agree with the cultural shift idea, but I don’t want access to guns to go away. But I guess my problem is that I don’t see enough people with this type of measured take. If I am wrong about something, I am open to knowing a different take.

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not against gun ownership. I'm against zero gun ownership regulation. Requiring background checks seems like a no brainer but we cannot even get to that part. The next I would suggest is a weekend long course on the proper use, safety, cleaning, and storage of your weapon before you are allowed to buy one. Finally, I think we should have that class reupped every 2 years to keep your license to own the firearm. It's a dangerous thing to have around and most good gun owners would support some of this, even if it is a hassle. It could be made fun too though. Free ammo for some range practice or something. Maybe a few for the class covers that, I don't know. Consider it a meetup with other people with similar interests.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agree, gun ownership should come with discipline and accountability

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I am pro gun, I believe that most incidents seem to come from either mishandling or improper/insecure storage.

People need to prioritize safety/security above all with firearms.

... They don't.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago (20 children)

Never found a motive? Are you joking? We've got tons of info on the psycho who did it. He was a distraught aging white male with a history of depression, gambling, and firearms who wanted to hurt the world and kill himself.

Sad losers are a dime a dozen but at least most of them aren't as stupid as that guy. There is no reason to discuss this outside of proposed changes to our society as a whole to better prevent these stains on history.

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[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago
[–] yarr@feddit.nl 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Whenever I see posts like this, I wonder about the benchmark being set.

I don't know what OP wants... a weekly news story: "VEGAS SHOOTING STILL NOT SOLVED, NEWSPAPER EDITORS SEEK ALTERNATE HEADLINES"

DB Cooper was one of the most mysterious hijackers of all time. Still no motive, why don't we hear about it more often?

Zodiac killer, active for years on the West Coast. No known motive... why don't we hear about it? Why does no one mention it?

Jack the Ripper, killed women brutally, unsolved, no known motive. Why isn't he mentioned more often?

This line of thinking drives me crazy. Our current news ecosystem thrives off cheap clickbait and manufactured outrage. Barring some radical new information, they won't get that out of the Vegas shooting, hence it doesn't make headlines routinely.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So you are saying that the answer is a serious lack of proper investigative journalism.

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