Inspired by gregorum's post concerning issues with startrek.website, which is ironic as lemmy.world is a bit glitchy right now and isn't letting me upload and had to use my alt here.
Na fuck discovery specifically
this post was submitted on 16 Mar 2024
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And it's always Discovery when these posts are made, isn't it. Because Discovery never tried to be Star Trek in anything but name and when fans backlash, it's always the fans' fault, not the show's fault (Paramount/CBS astroturf the shit out of this online, imo). Picard sucks too for similar reasons, and I just said so on an internet forum. So what?
Maybe I wish these shows hadn't got made because they were a giant waste of resources, but at the end of the day, I'm still enjoying LD and SNW. But no, I can't tell the world what a pile of dogshit Discovery is, oh no, that makes me a shitty fan who deserves to be banned.
Speaking of which, let me tell you about /r/startrek - those assholes can fuck themselves and if startrek.website is infected with that particular mind virus, it can fuck itself too. Being intolerant of opinions about a stupid tv show is far worse than any particular opinion could possibly be.
This is the kind of thing that kept me out of the fandom for years. I have zero interest in hearing how bad you think Discovery or Enterprise or whatever is, but by God you and everyone else will be sure to explain it to everyone repeatedly. It's tiring seeing it time and time again. I've enjoyed the shows, you didn't, that's fine. At least you aren't belittling the people that do like it, but that happens, too.
It reminds me of the Simpsons fans and their weekly discussions about which was the last great season. Who cares? It's just an opinion. Can't we just enjoy things we like?
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I like how your comment is getting simultaneously up voted and down voted
If THIS is Star Trek, then it's all Star Trek.
Does that have to be Star Trek? Can we all acknowledge that Planet Scotland was just a fever dream?
Holodeck program. We all know how often those filters need to be cleaned.
Along with planet Ireland, planet Africa, planet Capitalism? It's a slippery slope.
Yes, but none of those have a ghost sex candle.
...terrible episode. Followed by "Move Along Home"
I appreciated how incredibly rational he was. His first reaction was, “This is all so silly, I must clearly be dreaming. I shall now scream myself awake!”
He did this again in Distant Voices. “I’m being mind-raped to death by a Lethian? Oh, I don’t think so! Take my 125 year old tennis serve, asshole!”
And again, at the near-end of DS9 with Chief O’Brien in tow when they both cybermindfucked Sloan to get the cure for the Changeling virus. (Yeah, they totally did that, and Sisko and Ezri watched at least part of it).
I also appreciated the almost hilarious irony in that he was, in an almost Doctor Who twist of fate, wrong. No, Dr. Bashir, you are, in fact, trapped in a silly alien game, and must sing and dance your way out of it.
Doctor Who, indeed.
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Me in the corner be like: I've never even watched Star Trek.
"Don't you see? He has black on one side and white on the other. That makes him inferior to me." (Paraphrase)
The original Star Trek is so good.
The new movies aren't star trek. It's bang bang pew lazers in space.
BUT that's fine, I just think it's such a waste that corporate did the space action shooting movie in the star trek universe instead of mass effect.
Is it tho? Other than the com badges, every random screenshot I see of Discovery looks like a totally different sci-fi franchise. Especially when the characters are holding phasers.
You're kind of right. Discovery S1 was trying to be a dark, prestige drama. It felt a lot more like BSG than Trek. I haven't watched it since it premiered but I don't remember hating it, though I didn't love it either.
They fired their show runner pretty early, so there is another tone shift from S2 onward. The tone becomes a lot more like the new-Trek movies, and later much more like Strange New Worlds. Take a look at screenshots from Season 4 compared to Season 1 to see just how much it shifted stylistically.
The real issue isn't aesthetic or tonal, it's that the writing is excruciating.
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It, like every series before or concurrently, approaches the universe differently. They all have changes in style, effects, base premise, and acting. It's Trek all the same. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
I can't say if I like it or hate it as a whole; haven't watched the show it yet (so please don't assume this or my previous statement are meant to disparage; that wasn't my intention). But I also haven't seen Strange New Worlds, which still aesthetically looks like Trek to me from images I have seen. The vibe and tone are way different. Discovery looks like it is trying to be dark and gritty, which isn't very trekky IMO. Which is one of the two main reasons I still haven't watched it (the other being Paramount+ fuckin' sucks)
Trek is gritty as FUCK. TOS was quite gritty with ww3, genetic wars, khan... TNG had roving rape gangs. DS9 had apartheid space nazis. Disco is quite tame compared to the darker tones of DS9 by FAR. I think even behind the comedy, Lower Decks is darker than Disco.
Here’s the thing: Trek was never gritty before. Trek acknowledged the hardships of how we got to that utopian place, but only as a… distant abstract. It was in the past. As Trek went on and new series premiered, more history was revealed. It was gruesome. WWIII.The Eugenics Wars. Khan— who we then met, twice, and, who, then became a person of galactic importance.
But it wasn’t until DS9 that we actually got a glimpse of post-contemporary Earth, but pre-WWIII. We saw San Fransisco in 2024. We saw something we had not yet, as a society, yet conceived in the mainstream: Sanctuary Districts.
Today is March 17, 2024.
I’m not gonna lie: in 1993, I was 14. Even then, I didn’t see how we could stop all this from happening.
I’ll be 85 in 2064. I really hope I live to meet the Vulcans.
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Yeah DS9, specifically the Dominion Wars, is leaps and bounds the darkest Trek. It took the question of "how far must I go before I myself become the monster?" and applied it to a Star Fleet officer. And how far he was willing to go to protect the Federation was truly terrifying.
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Except the new movies.... That's not Star Trek
Sure it is. It may be flashier, have a larger budget, and largely miss the spirit of the series at that time... I had a point here somewhere.
Eh, pick and choose what bits you enjoy.
I liked the "hand held one person cross galaxy transporter that can move someone from Earth to Qo'noS that fundamentally changes all aspects of several galactic civilizations including the concept of space travel via starship, but is for some reason never used or mentioned again by anyone in the universe because Abrams clearly gave no fucks at all about the source material and just invented something so utterly 'not trek' because he wrote himself into a corner and didn't care about anything except the giant check he got."
That was my favorite part.
Figuring out a tech solution that could be applied to many other problems then completely forgetting about it in the next episode is what Star Trek is all about isn't it?
Especially when the transporter is involved. They've used the transporter to cure diseases, then forget about it later. Scotty was in a transporter pattern for decades putting him into a perfect stasis. Whey don't they do something like that for emergency situations if they're running out of air or food? Forgot about it. Riker got split into two different Rikers. Wouldn't the Dominion want to recreate this so they could quickly make millions of copies of fully trained Jem Hadar soldiers every time they rocked up to a planet they wanted to conquer? Guess they didn't think about that. That time O'Brien transported to a ship when the shields were up. Few episodes later "we can't beam over their shields are up!"
The list goes on and on.
I think it's firmly established that transporters are basically magic in Star Trek. They can do whatever an episode needs them to do and they can't do things whenever it would too easily solve a problem. If we're ten minute into an episode: "nope transporter can't do that even if it worked in a previous episode" Last 10 minutes of an episode: "We use the transporter by doing !"
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I liked them. They're the first time my wife got interested in Star Trek and an appreciation for sci-fi. It's very hard getting people into this stuff using old studio shows from the 20th century.
I've heard similar from others that it works as a wedge in the door. That's when you take the opportunity to slip in that DS9.
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My first new Trek was TNG, which I enjoyed, along with DS9. Then, I just lost interest and didn't stick with anything until the Kelvin movies. That got me back in, though Discovery nearly killed it, then Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks reeled me back in.
The Kelvin movies are not the Trekkiest Trek media but they aren't horrible movies.
Of course, nothing has yet to dethrone GalaxyQuest as the best Star Trek movie of all time.
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By the sideburns of Season 3 Kirk, just have fun with whatever flavor of Trek you have and let's stop Elaan of Troyiusing over nothing. Let's bitch about the Animated Series instead!
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