Legitimately curious what she is expecting. My kindest interpretation is she thinks students or teens should get work experience. Maybe she thinks people should have to work several jobs if it's too... Easy?
Not that students should have to work...
Customer service jobs are some of the worst outside of Malaysian ship breaker or Siberian lumberjack.
In my experience dealing with these sorts of people trying to to justify this argument, it's a combination of:
These are not supposed to be permanent jobs for anyone, i.e. only high school and college students should work them.
These are jobs that should be worked by >!non-white!< people who are comfortable with lower standards of living.
You should work a second job to supplement your income if you aren't earning enough.
For #1, they believe that because they (or people they know) treated lower paying jobs as a foot in the door/stepping stone at a time in their lives where they had a social safety net looking out for them, then everyone else can do that, too.
For #2, they believe that there are people who don't need to live well and are okay with that. Typically this comes down to racial distinctions and the idea that non-whites must love poverty because so many of them live in it.
For #3, they'll dig up some anecdote about some random family member in the past who used to work two jobs where they had to walk uphill both ways there and back and that's what a real work ethic looks like, then go off on a tangent about how people today are just too damn lazy.
The idea that younger people just need "work experience" is a vestige of a bygone world, when just having that little bit of experience would make you qualified for the job -- THE job -- that you would continue to do forever, because companies paid for loyalty with loyalty. That isn't how the world works now and every job, entry level, dead end, or otherwise, is the job that you might need to do forever. That's why a living wage is more important now than perhaps it was in previous years.
If easy jobs become living wage then victims of abuse can better escape via building an escape and self sustainability purse.
Being able to escape the household head's abuse is anathema to the "family values" system conservatives try to appeal to whenever gays are allowed more freedom than being sent to Jesus camp or force married by their parents.
And I think you hinted at it, but also women in abusive relationships, even if they're too indoctrinated to realize it. Even without physical violence, being expected to be subservient to your spouse is very common abuse in conservative USA.
Yeah, I charitably hope she is interpreting "living wage" as living super comfortably in a mini McMansion in the suburbs with a pool in the back yard and a new car in the driveway every 5 years or so. I mean, that's how many of this generation experienced success, so it makes sense if that's her frame of reference. But a literal _living _wage is something you can...you know ..live off of. With super extraneous purchases like food and clothes and a roof over your head. They don't stop and think what they're expecting people to do - work all day or night long so she can have her ice cream and still not be able to afford rent. It's cruel and dehumanizing.
I kinda agree in the aspect that a passing fries and a burger out a drive-thru window shouldn't be the standard of job people expect to live off forever, and that there should be room for starter-jobs.
But, the costs of living have gone up while the number of viable of decent jobs has gone down. Maybe the issue isn't that a burger job isn't meeting the bare minimum but that people expect you to work an office job for barely more than the burger one, while often also asking for some pretty hefty credentials/experience to boot.
Even in the McJobs, there should be some path for workers to have stepping stones to better positions. And yeah, there should also be no tolerance of assholes. Fuck "the customer is always right" and make it "we strive for customer satisfaction, but if you're an awesome we have the right to refuse service"
The thing that bothers me about comments like this is that it has the underlying attitude that everyone should eventually "be someone" and "do something with their life"
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to go to work, work your 8 hours a day, clock out, leave work at work and enjoy or do whatever you want for the rest of your hours that day.
These McJobs seem to be jobs "people trying to succeed in life" don't want to do, but are services and products they expect to be able to purchase and enjoy.
There is nothing wrong, lazy, or ignorant about people whose priorities are not about work and "getting ahead" - Maybe they want to do their hobbies, or hang out with people they like, or sit in their backyard and no nothing. Not everyone wants to, should, or is frankly qualified to meet some arbitrary measure of success
People doing the McJobs should still be able to eat, live in a safe home, and raise a family and not have to work 2 or more jobs, or be treated like they are worthless. They are stepping up and doing the jobs we all want done in society.
And yes, someone's McJob in middle of nowhere, flyover state might be liveable at minimum wage, and that exact same job be 3 or 4 times that in a big city. It doesn't change the fact that it should pay whatever it costs to be liveable in the place the job is located. If a company can't afford to pay it's employees a liveable wage, it can't afford to do business there. Same as if the business can't afford the electricity or clean water.
Did anyone watch Office Space? Sometimes happiness is found leaving the rat race and TPS reports and doing a McJob that directly benefits others and doesn't follow you home or ask if you have a case of the Mondays.
She wants underpaid service jobs so the services they provide remain cheap for her personally. And the teens and work experience thing is just a lie they tell everyone, in reality what they see as worthless jobs don't deserve to live well. Finally they see others gaining position and wealth as a direct threat to their level of privilege.
Lack of empathy caused by lead poisoning
And childhood abuse and neglect, probably.
Or just a shitty person
Lead poisoning caused by lack of regulation, failure to maintain and update safe infrastructure, and by outsourcing all manufacturing to China.
So, basically greed and fiscal conservatism.
Unintentionally stumbled on the truth of capitalism; you need an underclass to run the whole engine
It's not needed.
It's just needed to provide fantastic profits to the owners.
You can definitely have capitalism that pays a living wage, it just cuts into billionaires' profits.
Agreed, but keep in mind that within a capitalist system, the owners will always be fighting to take the working classes money with their profits.
The working class must always be vigilant and read to fight for their wages. There is no rest in a capitalist system.
Feels like skooby-do pulling back the mask of capitalism to reveal that it’s all just medieval peasants and serfs lol
Why don't people just use twitter instead of looking at twitter screenshots on every other site on the internet? The names are blanked so we don't even know who these people are supposed to be. There's no reason at all to darken our day with her obscure ramblings. It only had 2 retweets and 17 likes when somebody seeked this out to put in other people's faces. There's no point to this at all.
See, the beauty of a screenshot like this is - it captures a great moment in time. It's the moment someone should realize they are wrong. And that's a perfect moment. It's evocative. We've all been wrong before, we know what it's like. We can feel their reaction by how we ourselves reacted in the past. Or how we wished we had.
Now, this moment could have several different outcomes: that person could admit they're wrong and learn from it, they could panic and backtrack, they could delete their tweet or account out of shame, they could double down and be even more wrong and increase the lulz, they could come back with valid arguments and change your opinion etc. But. Depending on what your position is to the initial argument, you may not be satisfied with the outcome. You may find it annoying or roll your eyes. Of course it's possible that you find it even better than the initial moment, but that's not a guarantee.
So this screenshot is a tease in a way, but in other ways it's also a complete package. It won't have a disappointing ending. It won't promise more of itself and then fail to deliver. You can see the screenshot, imagine the outcome you want, and scroll to the next one.
This screenshot is... enough.
Also, I'll be fucked before I use anything musk has been associated with, I don't wanna support that asshole.
Simple: ex-Twitter has an abominable app full of ads and tracking, that isn’t useable without account. And if you actually log in, it’s full of right wing shit and musk (which one could argue, is also right wing shit).
I have no intention wasting my time by searching for the gold nuggets in that giant pile of shit. I was on Twitter when it still was Twitter (until they killed third party apps) and even then, you saw the best tweets as screenshots on reddit.
What an absolute shithead opinion. Fuck you, lady. Let me get you a spoon so you can eat my ass.
How does that quote go? Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and be confirmed one. Something like that. Anyway, it applies here.
Same brand of passing the buck as
"Sell the homes to who, Ben? FUCKING AQUAMAN!?"
First time I’m reading about this, looked it up and had a good laugh, thanks.
Well, and for the really uninitiated, this is youtuber H. Bomberguy. He's known for making extremely long and high quality video essays, mostly about video games, shows, and politics. And when I say politics, I mean he generally tackles right-wing hot button issues like vaccines and climate change.
This clip is from his climate change video.
So… slaves? What fucking solution do they expect here?
Christ, barely even slaves. Just purely disposable temporary humans. Locked into a Dairy Queen to work until you die, then flushed out and replaced with someone new.
At least now we know why these people want to outlaw abortion. Gotta do something about all that human turnover.
Making ice cream cones at Dairy Queen should be enough to live on. It shouldn't be able to buy you a super yacht. Then again, I don't believe anything should be able to get you a super yacht. Just get a regular yacht and be happy.
This is the fundamental messsage I think. She thinks that she is inherently better than "those who have to work at dairy queen", and is making up her view of what a functioning society is without thinking any further or actually having to design a society.
Every mom in my family is about this stupid, let me be honest, even dumber than this lady and that’s about 20 people. They are conservatives. And they vote!
These people don’t deserve to have their voices reinforced by idiot representatives.
So don’t you skip that vote this year okay?
And please vote more often because there is actually a lot of voting to be done.
Moms don't want the loneliness that comes when their kids move out, I guess
Hmm, I wonder how many people that believe this would also happen to be the people who raise hell when nobody gives enough of a shit to make their burger right..
They are also the people who complain because things like self checkout/self serve come about, then they suddenly miss the "old days" when you'd actually have a conversation with the checkout person.
Do you miss the days when people could do those jobs and support a household? Or do you want to be served by faceless robots? Its one or the other.
I absolutely do not agree with her. Their view point is that Dairy Queen is a "starter job" for someone who lives with their guardian(s). Then the Dairy Queen worker takes their experiences and "upgrades" to a better job. Thus, leaving the position open to someone who doesn't need to afford to live or whatever...
People like this woman completely ignore the fact that professionals are also struggling right now; and people are also sick of being paid unreasonable wages due to a lack of experience. She also ignores that not all young people have safety nets as well.
I think what she's trying to say is that we need a UBI that covers living expenses, and providing the essential service of making Oreo blizzards is on top of that.
I'd honestly be okay with that.
If every person over about 16 was guaranteed the option of a bare minimum personal living space, a usable Internet connection, plumbing, clean water, and basic nutrition; then I don't care if there are jobs that pay $3 and hour.
If we eliminate forced homelessness, give victims of abuse a safe escape, allow people with both recognized and unrecognized disabilities a guaranteed foundation to live on, and generally just take care of the people we extract taxes from to fund our society; then a lot of my concerns about labor and wages evaporate.
Of course, what we don't want to to "accidentally" create a de-facto neo-slavery caste who are stuck with the bare minimum and unable to get better work.
Hell, if someone wants to lay around all day and do nothing but watch TV, I'm okay with that.
If they want to spend that free time pursuing education for a better life, that's great too!
I don't care, as long as we can get rid of the shitty system we have now in the US. Too many people fall through the cracks and never make it back.
Ugh, why do we need a bottom half of the ladder when I'm already halfway up it?
that original tweet is probably some kind of bot or controlled by an operative from some corporation or thinktank.
I agree, corporate executives SHOULD be on food stamps. They should earn well below minimum wage.
If you're not passionate about upper level management get the fuck out.