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Drinking lead can damage people's brains, but Kansas Attorney General Kris Kobach opposes a plan to remove lead water pipes.

In their letter, the attorneys general wrote, “[The plan] sets an almost impossible timeline, will cost billions and will infringe on the rights of the States and their residents – all for benefits that may be entirely speculative.”

Kobach repeated this nearly verbatim in a March 7 post on X (formerly Twitter).

Buttigieg responded by writing, “The benefit of not being lead poisoned is not speculative. It is enormous. And because lead poisoning leads to irreversible cognitive harm, massive economic loss, and even higher crime rates, this work represents one of the best returns on public investment ever observed.”

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[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 227 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's harder to understand the negative consequences of lead poisoning if you suffer from lead poisoning.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 166 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“But if my constituents stop drinking lead, they will become woke and will stop believing the bullshit I’m pouring down their throats”

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not even that is true. The damage doesn’t revert on its own.

[–] anguo@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's true for the next generation.

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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 133 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So, Kobach et al's complaint is that the plan to replace lead pipes is underfunded and so probably won't cause enough of an impact on lead levels in drinking water to even bother, and yet the reason it's underfunded is because Republicans specifically voted to not fund it properly. So instead of funding it 100% (or close to 100%), they chose to only fund about 1/3rd of what it would cost to replace all of the lead pipes.

It almost seems like Republicans want potential voters to imbibe neurotoxins that will negatively impact their IQ, harm their ability to concentrate, and make them more easily swayed by emotional appeals. I wonder why that could be?

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Since they were only given 1/3 of the budget, they should announce that they’ll only be removing lead from low income districts (which the Republicans have red-lined into being largely black neighborhoods). See if fomo changes their minds.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

It won't change their minds, because they already think it's not their problem. Their water doesn't have lead, they presume.

[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It almost seems like Republicans want potential voters to imbibe neurotoxins that will negatively impact their IQ, harm their ability to concentrate, and make them more easily swayed by emotional appeals. I wonder why that could be?

This is my tin foil hat explanation. Also poor areas with more black and ethnic minority people are more likely to have lead pipes and it leads to increased crime and violence, thus further stoking racial tensions and increasing support for racist policy and therefore republicans

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 92 points 8 months ago (2 children)

One of the problems with lead poisoning is you end up too stupid to know what lead poisoning is

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which is the way the GOP likes it. Dumb people don't question their authoritarian rule.

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He makes a logical argument with sound reasoning, logical conclusions and a definitive solution. The facts are clear and there is no ambiguity.

No wonder they dont understand, because its not the immigrants, trans- or black-people at fault here.

Fitting how the average republican consistently behaves exactly like a person suffering from lead-poisoning...

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 16 points 8 months ago

Maybe he should have said that Lead is black, and illegally coming to our country and stealing our jobs.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

Should have led with "lead is woke" and they'd be tripping over themselves to ban it

[–] ringwraithfish@startrek.website 6 points 8 months ago

Of course they then argue "You're not doing enough, so you shouldn't do anything"

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

I was listening to Know Your Enemy's recent podcast titled Why the Right Loves Foreign Dictators (would definitely recommend a listen), and I came to a realization:

American conservative beliefs are not based on reality. That seems obvious, especially to this crowd, but like, the conservative dispossession of reality-based beliefs goes deep. Their version of rationality is adherence to an ideology and that is how they interpret the beliefs of others.

In this case, it manifests as opposing the removal of lead water pipes in the honest belief that, regardless of their danger—which is speculative to this idiot—it's too expensive and "infringes" on rights. The value of lead pipe removal derives from whether its economically beneficial and its comportment with his idea of what infringes on rights, rather than on...you know...the scientifically proven damaging effects of lead.

Because he interprets the beliefs of others as perceived adherence to some ideology (which he almost certainly doesn't understand), he dismisses the solid scientific evidence as speculative. It's ideology vs ideology for him. Scientific claims are just another ideology.

To generalize, that's why the pro-life movement "helps" women, that's why be against welfare "supports" the nation, that's why opposing Putin "defends" liberty, and that's why voting for Trump makes America "great". It's not about real results, it's just pure ideological adherence from the bottom to the top. It's fitting that Trump is their messiah. He's the greatest bullshitter modern politics has ever seen.

[–] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that’s why opposing Putin “defends” liberty

You lost me here. Could you explain?

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I’m guessing they meant to say supporting

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why do you help moderate the largest conservative Lemmy community then?

It seems you’re just helping legitimize their beliefs.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I came oh-so-close to moderating a conservative community and I am quite vocally opposed to conservatism.

I'm hoping that maybe some conservative communities on Lemmy are moderated by normal (non-conservative) people who can keep the conservatives within the bounds of their instance's guidelines. Perhaps this is one such moderator. That would certainly be better than letting conservatives moderate a community. We've seen how that turns out.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I hear what you’re saying but I disagree.

I think that is the instance’s admins responsibility to deal with a community’s moderators.

I believe that moderating an extreme community’s view to make it more broadly accessible is not helping anything.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Moderating herein means kicking and banning people whose behavior is unacceptable or locking and removing individual posts and comments that are unacceptable. For instance a conservative sub may have threads on the virtues of tax cuts for the rich by relatively normal folks and threads calling for lynching black folks for imaginary crimes.

I believe the rich should pay their fair share but I sure hope someone normal is willing to allow the former and ban the latter even if the would be lynch mobs threads are couched in polite and indefinite language while they spread their lies and hate. I feel like a normal fellow might be better situated to make such a distinction than someone of a conservative bent who is looking to follow the bare letter of the law so to speak.

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[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 48 points 8 months ago (3 children)

My conspiracy theory is on some level, conservatives are aware that their worldview is at least in part a symptom of lead poisoning induced brain damage, so they rely on lead poisoning for votes.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Those people coming to read you water meter, nope, that's just a cover! They're actually putting lead pellets into a secret chamber to contaminate your water so all the tests upstream of you show its safe!

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[–] Nudding@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The Brookings Institution, a social policy think tank, noted that the actual cost of replacing all of the nation’s lead pipes is closer to $47 billion. The Biden administration originally requested $45 billion for the project, but congressional Republicans negotiated the amount down to $15 billion. The institute also noted that replacing pipes in crowded urban cities like Chicago could take 40 to 50 years.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So it is underfunded, because Republicans didn't want to fully fund the effort.

Also, when they talk about "homeowners" replacing their lead pipes, what they really mean is "landlords." Homeowners have an interest in replacing lead pipes because there will be an ROI when they sell, and also the improved quality of life (not spending money on lead filters or bottled water, no cognitive impairment, etc).

The losers in this situation are the corportate slumlords for whom it will cost more to replace water pipes, and who will not see most of the benefit. They'll have a hard time justifying raising the rent by saying "now the water is no longer toxic."

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Lead paint was banned in the U.S. in 1978 because of its toxicity. This stuff can and will kill you.

Conservatives need to stop treating every deadly poison like a "who can chug the most beer contest." This isn't a game (unless you're a company seeking to bypass lead restrictions, in which case it's totally a game to YOU).

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Here's something wild: it was only banned for residential use. As long as the paint is labeled 'for industrial use only', manufacturers can go crazy with the lead. Despite the common misconception of lead exposure via paint being primarily due to "eating paint chips", it's mostly due to the inhalation and ingestion of the dust formed by friction and the gradual breakdown of lead paint. To get to the point, living downwind of any business that still utilizes legal lead paint means you may be exposed to lead.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 8 months ago

Yeah but the market provides a solution! If you don’t want lead in your water, just buy bottled water, silly!

[–] ggBarabajagal@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Ingesting lead can and will kill you, and it will impair your cognitive functioning in the meantime. Lead was banned from automobile gasoline in 1975, but it was too late. There are small amounts of lead in the air and water, almost everywhere, that will remain for centuries and that were not there before cars,

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[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

Rhymes with "I love the poorly educated"

"I love victims of lead poisoning"

[–] livus@kbin.social 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 45 points 8 months ago (5 children)

First time?

There was a republican senator who once brought a snowball into Congress to prove climate change is a hoax.

There was once a republican congressman who claimed a woman's body would self abort the fetus if it was a rape.

I don't remember their names, nor do I care to.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 24 points 8 months ago

And another that was worried the island of Guam would tip over if overpopulated.

And MTGs secret Jewish space lasers thing.

Congresspeople have shockingly little oversight from their constituents.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

There was also a congressman that asked an admiral if he was worried that the island would tip over if they put a navy base on it.

You know because that happens sometimes.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Roy Atkins was the rape senator. Happened my senior of highschool, and he was running to be our senator.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Todd Akin. He also died of cancer a few years ago, so that's one nice thing cancer has done.

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Don't forget about Congressman Hank Johnson who was concerned about Marines being stationed in Guam because of his fear that "the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize."

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[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Kansas (and even worse Arkansas), Alabama, Missouri, et al, are real in this timeline. It's not good.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] iamtrashman1312@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Having a nice buildup of lead in your body actually blocks the 5G signals that your COVID vaccine nanobots would otherwise be receiving from the government, actually!

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[–] Basrandir@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

Even Superman can't see through lead. Which means we should all be ingesting as much lead as possible to stop the guvmnt from tracking us.

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