Islam is just a fork of Christianity which is itself a fork of Judaism.
Humans been forking well before git was invented
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Every ex-muslim atheist I have met in my life I feel the urge to give a hug to. They got it bad. It is a lot easier for me to never set foot in a church again.
I got a standing thing. If you are an ex-muslim atheist and in my city let me know and I will buy you a beer and a BLT.
There's not really a set number of phases for leaving or entering a religion. As an aside, there isn't actually a fixed set of stages for grief either. People's journeys through life vary. I also see people repeating the most conservative interpretations of Islam here. People interpret and experience religion differently. Don't cite the most conservative interpretation as the one true interpretation, you're only giving them more credit than they deserve.
There is a study which says you are most likely to become agnostic/atheist if you grew up with parents who are not very religious. It was posted on Reddit and I did not read the study, but my guess it's because you're not being exposed to religious teachings. The findings corroborate my personal experience. My family and I pretty much stopped going to church nearly twenty years ago. My parents are believers but not devoted, although my mother watches televised mass.
My siblings and I then just do things on our own, and from our own readings on the topic along with others, we all became non-believers independent from each other. I am agnostic (I don't believe that deities in mainstream human religion exist but I do not discount the possibility of magical beings existing if evidence is presented) but my siblings are fully atheists.
Growing up I only ever saw church and religion on TV and never really thought much of it. One day as kids my mom pulled my brother and I aside and asked us, "It doesn't really make any sense for there to be a bearded man in the sky, does it?" That's all I really needed to hear to be science-minded for the rest of my life.
I'm a little jealous of people who grew up with church communities though. There's lots of good people out there, even if it's for the wrong reasons.
I believe it. People like me who grew up in a devout household and are atheists now are the weird ones. I can almost tell by sight at every atheist event I go to. The ones that look like they have seen hell vs the ones that were lucky.
I didn't want to cause a whole thing because I have better things to do with my life than get offended but the last atheist event I went to someone asked me if I was considered introducing my kids to some diet religion type deal for "community" like Methodist or Baha'i or reformed Judaism. It just popped in my head that you might as well ask a homosexual who was forced into conversion therapy to "at least try dating the other gender and see where it goes".
Now again I didn't react the way I secretly wanted to I just told him that I think we are fine but I so wanted to bite his head off. I clawed my way out of that shit and no way anyone is inflicting it on my children.
That makes sense, though there are also people who were brought up in strictly religious households and still came out being agnostic/atheist. It's partially statistics, but I wouldn't describe the process as a strict set of phases.
Oh yes, of course. I'm not saying otherwise. But that study showed contrary to popular belief that strict religiosity and bad experience of it makes someone atheist or agnostic, the less religiously strict an upbringing is, the more likely the person would become non-believer. Then on the flip side, strict religious upbringing could make someone more so. Human individuals are complicated and there is still deviations but the trend is still present and strong.
racism intensifies
Islam isn't a race. Stupidity intensified I guess.
Ah come on. You surely know very well that although Islam isn't a race, there is definitly something going on with Islam and racism since the early 2000. Many scholars wrote about the rephrasing of racism in civilizational terms, those civs being closely tied (by people who imagine them) with religion.
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Islam isn’t a race.
Hitler particles radiating off this comment thread.
tfw you work so hard at being anti racist that you wrap around to the other side and end up claiming a religion is the same thing as the skin color of the majority of the people who practice it
Races aren't a thing, but regions and religions sure as hell are.
religion is the same thing as the skin color
pointing at a group of brown people
I hate them because of their religious beliefs, not their skin color.
pointing at a group of white people
I like them because of their religious beliefs, not their skin color
Coincidental, I'm sure.
It was the "desert dweller" portion, you fool.
Would you have preferred child rapist?
Sadly, child marriage is consistent throughout western and eastern culture, and is coming back to Tennessee, US. Only since 1980-1990 did we care about child sexual assault, and conservatives are more concerned with the license than with whether or not kids are getting hurt.
Child labor is also returning while kids can't get consistent school lunch programs or healthcare. It seems we struggle to actually care about kids.l
Deserts exist in all 7/6/5 (delete as educationally applicable) continents on this planet so it’s not the best choice of wording regardless of what they’re trying to say. I’m not debating, I’m just stating.
Right. It's not even an effective dog-whistle.
What’s wrong with being a desert dweller?
Mohammed was a Fremen
I mean yeah, basically, the idea of being the Mahdi and convincing the desert dwelling followers of Mohammad to follow you as a revolutionary army was a big trope for a while, king of the khyber rifles type books were full of it. Dune just rewrites Paul from being actual English aristocracy to being a near identical space facsimile, likewise Bedouin and Muslim stereotypes and tropes common in adventure lit make the Fremen. Big bad is mostly anti German tropes from ww1 era novels; corpulent, perverted, and sneaky.
The great imagination in it comes from taking this fairly standard formula and going totally crazy with sand worms and Duncan clones.
Though when you look at it like this it's obvious liet kynes is actually the linchpin of his creative vision and everything else is formed around that character