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Tethered plastic caps (lemmy.sdf.org)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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I know they're supposed to be good for the environment. But... Holy smokes they drive me up the wall. They really do!

I had no trouble adapting when aluminum can pull-tabs got replaced by push-tabs, because it was pretty much the same movement, and I could see the immediate advantage of not getting cut by a pull-tab.

But the tethered cap is fighting decades of muscle memory in me: I'm used to taking the cap off with one hand and keeping it there while taking a swig with the other. Now I unscrew the cap with one hand, but I still have to hold the cap so it's out of the way. It feels like drinking in handcuffs each and every time...

So unlike the pull-tab, the tethered plastic bottle cap is one of those compulsory eco solutions that constantly make you feel ever-so-slightly more miserable all the time, and I hate that because ecology only works when it brings something of value both to people and to the environment.

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[–] Enk1@lemmy.world 51 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Easy solution: only buy drinks in aluminum cans or glass bottles. World is already drowning in microplastic pollution.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

Aluminium cans have a thin plastic liner inside them that's almost impossible to recycle. I'm not sure if you're fixing much by switching to cans, here…

Glass is better, but any carbonated drink turns into a bomb if you put more than half a liter or so in a closed glass container.

[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The plastic liners in and on tins and cans - referred to as lacquer in the industry - don't impact recycling. When the tins are heated to thousands of degrees for recycling, what is left of the plastic liner, the inks and UV materials; is separated and basically skimmed off, leaving the metal.

https://ekko.world/plastic-lining-on-beverage-food-cans/226751

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[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Surely making aluminum and glass cans isn't good for the environment either is it?

[–] theroastedtoaster@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Making brand new ones from raw sand/ore isn't great when you consider the need to mine and refine those into something useable. Lots of energy and effort goes into that part. The difference is that glass and aluminum are essentially infinitely recyclable, while plastic is often not. It takes way less effort and minimal input of new resources to recycle a glass bottle. Hell, with a robust bottle return system you can skip over the recycling part entirely - just send them back to the bottling facility to be cleaned and refilled.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Emphasis on "plastic is often not". Only PET (#1 on the symbol) can truly be recycled into new material, and usually it's tossed in with other materials and contaminated enough to make that not possible. There is the reusable path, where plastics are remolded into other purposes, but that's not "really" recycling and likely ends there for that form to eventually degrade and be trashed.

So just make more things with PET and recycle better, right? I'm guessing there's limitations on what PET can be used for given its characteristics vs. other plastics, and it is still cheaper to just get new material for new PET rather than recycle. So of course companies are going to go that route.

The interesting thing that I learned not so long ago from the YT channel Climate Town is that people see the triangle symbol with the plastic type number inside and assume it's recyclable, since that's the recycle symbol. But it's not that symbol, it's just designed similar to give that impression.

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well, glass bottles can be washed and reused. The beer industry does this as standard practice.

Glass and aluminum are easier to recycle. Actually recycling these two materials are an order of magnitude easier and cheaper than new material.

Plastic can be recycled, but has a faster degradation rate and the infrastructure isn't present on the scale of glass and aluminum.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. How do the beer companies get their bottles back to reuse?

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In my area, it through the recycling. Beer bottles have always been worth $0.05, so its worth it to return them to a depot. They also get sorted out if you leave them on the curb or takenby someone who wants the bottle deposit.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Returning them through the deposit makes sense, but I never would think that the recycling pickup people would sort them. Ours just take it to the dump

[–] bjorney@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

the recycling pickup people

It's not, it's usually retirees or homeless people doing it for cash

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 6 points 6 months ago

Aluminum and glass are natural and just use heat and presses to renew and transform into desired forms.

Plastic takes a lot more processing and isn't readily recyclable.

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[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

To all companies

just stop using plastic

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[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I have never seen one of these. Can you not just like, rip it off?

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can, but there's enough plastic to make it non-trivial, particularly if you don't want to risk destroying the cap.

They definitely mess with your muscle memory, both when opening it, and drinking from it.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago

I tried to take them off a few times until I realized it was on purpose and not a manufacturing defect.

The problem isn't the force it takes to rip it off: that's easy enough to do. The problem is that the now-free cap has sharp edges that really hurt, and the plastic bottle now has an annoying dangling plastic tail.

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can, but it takes a considerable amount of force.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 months ago

My stubbornness knows no bounds.

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[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 6 months ago

You can still find those pull tabs in the woods sometimes.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Now I unscrew the cap with one hand, but I still have to hold the cap so it’s out of the way.

That shouldn't be the case. Companies have done some design work and came up with proper solutions, such as the cap snapping into open position, it'll be completely out of the way provided you turn the bottle the right way. Which actually should work with the one in the picture you posted. Maybe some bottling line somewhere didn't get the memo, or they're using up old stock, or whatnot, those that are simply attached but don't latch are indeed awkward, but that kind of thing should vanish from the market quite quickly especially once tethered caps actually do become mandatory in July.

It's still a change of habit but you get used to latching very quickly.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Or one could just rip that shit off because one thought it was a shitty manufacturing error.

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Op, where are you at? I've never seen these OR the aluminum push tabs you mentioned

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The push tab is what's common on aluminum cans for the last several decades. The 70s had the pull tab style cans.

[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so "pull tabs"are what you see on like cans of SPAM?

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

https://i.imgur.com/AZrO380.jpeg

Pull tabs were mostly phased out when I was a kid but these were still around.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I feel like I've only ever seen Donald Duck OJ as part of a cheap hotel's complimentary breakfast! 😆

I remember foil tabs like those on a few things, but I was born a smidge too late for "pop tops," which pulled off the same way, but were as thick as the to of the can. People supposedly just tossed the little shrapnel pieces everywhere for people to get poked with. Hence the switch to a tab that stayed connected to the can.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago

I remember Jumex always had that foil pull tab.

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[–] DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Huh, I guess these were just a hair before my time

[–] calmluck9349@infosec.pub 3 points 6 months ago

I know UK and Norway are like this.

[–] Tuggles@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Just got back from England and Scotland and virtually every plastic bottle had these. It was the first time I've ever seen them before too (I live in the US)

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I wouldn't even call this mildly ... Anything

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In what way are they better for the environment? I'm confused

[–] Eggyhead@kbin.run 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Bottle caps stay tethered to the bottles when bottles are taken in for recycling. They don’t end up on the ground.

[–] Numhold@feddit.de 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Which is weird, since I have never seen anyone dispose of a screw-on lid improperly. It‘s always just the caps to glass bottles you see lying around.

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

It's shit like this that makes me realise carrying a knife hasn't lost its utility.

[–] don@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

I’ve never seen this before. I’m not sure how I’d feel about it.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Drink water and beer.

[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I forgot what the original post was about. I just wanted to concur.

[–] scrion@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I buy water in glass bottles. They started having these "updated" plastic caps. I burn with rage.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

If only there was water coming straight from a pipe into your home…

[–] this_is_router@feddit.de 2 points 6 months ago

wtf, my muscle memory is impacted?! fuck the environment! /s

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