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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 99 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Amateur/hobbiest photographer here.

What boils me is when people who sees my picture and say "Wow! Nice photo, you must have an expensive camera".

It's never your years of shooting or your passion to the craft. It's always down to " What camera is that from".

I also shoot 35mm film as well. Even then, people only care about the camera.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 54 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's not ridiculous for a non hobbyist to assume you need "good" gear to get good results. They are literally ignorant.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 36 points 8 months ago

Also, good gear helps. But if you don't know what you're doing, then the best gear won't do you much good.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 20 points 8 months ago

I was around cameras all my life, but I only when I bought my first dslr, I started to actually think about how each setting would influence the photo, and I eventually had lots of fun playing around with different settings, motives and eventually photography became an hobby of mine.

What I am trying to say: hobbyists may not need "good" gear, but they still need the "right" gear, i.e. gear that makes the hobby enjoyable.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Well, camera phones equipment determines photo quality. Typically that's the only exposure to photography so I understand why they are asking these questions .

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think sometimes it's just having something to talk about, some way to engage and be interested/friendly. I can't really say, "wow, nice photo, you must have hit that focal length just right," if I think that means you kept a distance from your subject the length of a Ford Focus.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Ya, I understand that. I sorta blame the camera phone. Back in the 90s, before digital cameras came out, I never got the equipment question. Comments were closer to what pencils artists were getting. "How long did you practice to get this good? Did you take classes or you just read books to learn how to draw? "

But as camera phones became more filtered and more "creative", the more people associated better photos with better cameras.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My mother has been using the same camera since the 90s and has only rellaced equipment if it was really unfixably broken. She did photography as her only source of income up until pretty recently and still does it as a hobby. Going on shoots with her quickly made me realize that the quality of an artistic piece doesnt directly correlate with the price and newness of their equipment at a pretty young age. She complained a lot about talking to other photographers at classes/conventions and being forced to listen to some dudebro talk about the specs of their equipment and how expensive it was as well as feeling constantly advertised to. Its interesting how prevelent this is in even non tech focused artistic pursuits. I wonder if this is a direct result of capitalisms influence on art or if some artists would still blame their short comings on material failure even without the profit motive encouraging that narrative.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

I used to used Facebook groups for photography and there are 2 types of people. Artists and Equipmentist.

One talked about how to use lighting and the other talked about the lumen output for a certain speed light.

Mostly tech bros. They are always the ones suggesting hiring "models" for photoshoots.

[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You press a button. Relax, chief

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I wouldn't call myself a photographer at all, not even amateur, but I also had someone once comment that I "must have a very expensive camera" in response to a lucky shot I got once of a horizontal lightning bolt in the sky.

The camera was a Sony Cybershot T-200.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

they really do don't they. I've never had anybody ask me how I got that framing to look nice or why I chose this lens over the other to shoot, it's always "what camera do you have", well my friend I have an intro to photography camera called Canon 90D, now pls stfu about the gear I'm using,

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[–] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Just take some good photos with a crappy disposable.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

I can't remember what year it was, but the Canadian armed forces had a photo contest and the winning shot was literally from a disposable camera.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Give me a kids camera and golden hour and I'll get you some bangers.

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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 85 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This is a perfect segue to his sponsor.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 46 points 8 months ago

Raid: Shadow Legends!

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In fairness a good set of chisels is important for fine stone work.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I did woodworking sculptures with chisels for a bit and even modern steel gets too hot from friction and ruins the tip after a while, I bet it was absolute hell 5 centuries ago.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

They had decent steel back then but you're right. They probably had to have a wheel grinder nearby or it would have been painfully slow.

[–] dumpsterlid@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I can give advice for awhile I was using the Estwing 590x but the grip just wasn’t doing it for me so I tried out the more expensive Miller Diamond Tooth chisel.

I would wait for the new chisel models to come out this year though since the Raptor Claw line of chisels is going to be coming out from Performance Chisel and those look reallly good.

Try reading reviews on crazychisellersforum.net there are also a bunch of good YouTube chisel review channels like Color Me Chiselled.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

But watch out for Mr Chiseller on YouTube and Awl Shucks on TikTok. Both look like chiseling but they are, in fact, planing. I've tried reporting the channels but it went nowhere.

My daily driver is a Moroni medium-fine weight but the secret is that I sharpen is each time I'm done with it so it can tackle just about anything. If you've got a burl, you'll need something beefier, like a Stanchion heavy weight with the leather grip (remember leather is forever) and a shallow angled blade. It's more work but it's much easier. (Please don't DM about how Stanchion is now Chinese owned, I'm talking about their stuff from a few years ago. Avoid the rubber grips because that's the new stuff)

I'd warn against crazychisellersforum.bet because some people go there to sell Chi like crazy people and it's getting flooded by bots after that Wood Work game came out. I was part of the exodus to chiselorbechiselled.net and we are slowly growing!

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 29 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 89 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

Many people who start out at a craft or hobby fall into the trap of thinking they need to get the best and most expensive equipment in order to improve or "get good".

In most cases the better equipment might feel nicer to work with, but doesn't really improve the performance of their wielder.

The hard truth that can be hard to accept, is that the pro's are really good because they put a lot of time and effort into getting there. And there really are no shortcuts around that.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 64 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Adam Savage has this ideology that if you start a new type of creative hobby, you buy the cheapest tools that has the functions you need. Then when that tool breaks, you buy a nice and expensive version that will last.

Because you have proven that you will use the tool enough to break it.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

I always wanted to get into bungee jumping...

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 25 points 8 months ago

A lot of markets are filled with tool shaped trash that will actually stop you from doing anything. Especially when you're not already extremely knowledgeable, learning can be a problem when you don't know if the problem is your or your equipment.

And looking for a bigger price tag doesn't help, because the trash makers have figured that out and covered that market as well.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

This works great for a lot of hobbies but not for some. Some hobbies you certainly don't want your main tool breaking on you. But it kind of applies you don't need the top of the line to start with but at least opt for solid quality over fancy features.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago (6 children)

But tools are important to a degree.

When you're starting out, it's extremely useful to know what your core toolbox needs to include, and who better to ask than someone who clearly knows what they're doing? Michaelangelo could have said "Well, I use a broad flat chisel for for bulk removal, large and small gouge chisels for soft curves, and mainly a v chisel for the finer details"

When you're trying to emulate a specific style, sometimes the type of tool can be crucial for nailing the look. For example, Bob Ross used a palette knife extensively, and choose very different brushes for different elements. Even a skilled painter would have difficulty reproducing his work if all they had was one 1-inch flat brush.

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A good teacher will recommend tools that are good enough for the skill level.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 9 points 8 months ago

Got it, I'll use this blunted horseshoe nail.

[–] CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not exactly art, but as a beginner in climbing you definitely want good shoes. The same applies when you are experienced of course, but the difference between a good and bad shoe purely in terms of enjoyment is enormous.

The same applies to a lot of other stuff as well. If you feel like your equipment is constantly fighting you, it's hard to enjoy what you're doing.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't know the first thing about climbing, but I assume there is good stuff, and then super expensive top notch stuff.

My comment is not an argument against getting decent or good equipment.

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[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not the tools its the artist. Of course there is hard work and practice involved but that question implies that, with the right tools, anyone can create the same art.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

It's still a fair question, because talent is quite often limited by the tools.

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[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's like people asking creators "in what program do you make your videos", as if that's what makes the final video what it is.

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago

More likely they have no program at all and thus no ability at all to make videos and they'd like to know where to get a good start.

[–] root_beer@midwest.social 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How broken am I that my first thought was, “what is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doing there?”

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

You're broken? I though the question was going to be something along the lines of "why are the dicks so small?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Obviously you'll need a Snap-On auto-chisel.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't even need to start without the MarbleBlaster 40K

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sir, no offense but MarbleBlaster 40K is a cheap piece of garbage. I go for MarbleChisler 4K.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Easy,

" I only use Michelangelo - High Carbon Premium Steel Chisels with the high density Michelangelo Hammer with the Comfort Grip extension for only 299! "

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