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[–] terry_tibbs@lemmy.ml 178 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The list of reasons why I refuse to buy Nintendo products is getting pretty hefty at this point.

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@lemmy.world 141 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Yuzu fucked up. This is about more than the decryption. Yuzu's actions (copypasta from a fine redditor):

  • Massive patreon, to the point it has an LLC set to manage the money flow
  • Early access releases are effectively SOLD, they fucked around with manifest/build files, abused GPL to go after some forks back when they were Citra, attacked other forks/emulators then benefitted from their work and even replicated their practices (like CEMU's patreon), etc
  • Actively targets Switch competitors (Steam Deck, Android), to the point Valve once included it in a marketing reel
  • Its presence on the OFFICIAL Android play store rather than an apk competes with Nintendo's own Android games (undermining both those and the Switch)
  • Unauthorized use of Nintendo imagery
  • Extensive telemetry, itself juicy data that could be sold for advertisers, on top of Nintendo's own built-in telemetry that's also sent
  • Patreon marketing is heavily focused on games that broke street day release date, and even when they show some "restraint" it's just a release day post how much better the game runs on a platform that's not the Nintendo Switch, in the same launch period where most sales happen
  • Progress reports timed suspiciously close to major Nintendo first-party releases
  • ATTEMPTED to make a competitor to the Switch Online service, using files from an external preservation group, and it would have been a PAID service, and the subscription MORE EXPENSIVE than Nintendo's actual service (it was $60 something) despite smaller compatibility, for games still online, as a CLOSED-SOURCE FORK of a GPL PROJECT so that players don't actually set up their own custom servers to avoid paying Yuzu's pittance. When there was backlash, they REMOVED all traces of online emulation after they couldn't profit off it.
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Yeah their problem was to make it a commercial operation. At that point it's trivial for Nintendo to show they've enriched themselves on the back of ripped ROMs by enabling them.

Whereas if you do everything for free and don't even accept donations, they'd have a big problem showing that you have any commercial interest and hence can be sued for damages.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 136 points 8 months ago (5 children)
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 60 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The team behind Yuzu is different from ReSwitched and Atmosphere, so you were fine either way.

This just means Yuzu agrees to delete their copies of the tools they used and send Nintendo their hacked Switch consoles (probably to be destroyed).

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Although the fact that these programs were named means that Nintendo's Eye of Sauron is on them - the extra attention makes me nervous. I definitely would have modded it this weekend if I hadn't already decided to last weekend.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is no world where these tools exists and Nintendo does not know them. It's not some deep darknet secret lore hidden behind seven-VPN. Anything that happens online about emulation, all the company knows it exists and how it works. The threat never goes away.

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 80 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Nintendo,
reinventing themselves as a law-suite company
which also publishes games on the side..

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They are becoming Oracle...

[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago

They already are

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[–] p3e7@lemm.ee 71 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 62 points 8 months ago (3 children)

In completely unrelated news, I now have a private repo on my private gitea that has a lot of c++ code

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

In even more unrelated news, does anybody know of some good spots to bury random flash drives containing a lot of C++ code?

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[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

Is yuzu really going to "shut down"? I have it installed on my computer at least. And it's foss, no? So anyone can clone the repo.

Damn, the repo is already gone.

[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 75 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Here's my fork in case you want it: https://github.com/TxzK/yuzu. I'm sure some actively maintained forks will pop up eventually.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Be careful, now Nintendo is out for blood. I would get it off GitHub at the very least.

Take a look here for some potential alternatives: https://lemmy.world/post/12529718

[–] TxzK@lemmy.zip 48 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago

Hello, it's me Nintendo please pay me 2.4M bucks in damages from sharing those links, you vicious criminal 😭

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[–] vinnymac@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t matter if it’s gone, as long as it is available elsewhere, which of course it is.

A fork will most certainly pop up. I’m curious what this means for ryujinx development going forward.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 8 months ago (12 children)

If these guys were making money off their emulator then it's not surprising in the least that Nintendo gutted them.

Three trick to being a parasite is that you can't attract the hosts attention in any way. If you start eating the hosts food they goanna swat you.

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[–] NewPerspective@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm more than a little miffed that Nintendo has my Patreon dollars.

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[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You wanna believe I downloaded it as soon as this was announced. Been playing some Metroid Dread on a 32 inch monitor with a controller that doesn't cramp up my hands the past couple of days. Thanks for giving me the push I needed Nintendo! I might have just been happy with my Steam library instead.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So, are Yuzu developers actually have $2.4M lying around, or will they pay for it in installment like Gary Bowser?

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

they were making 30k/mo for a while, so for sure they can pay some of it off.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some people estimates they net ~$1.2M on patreon so far. If that's the case they still ~$1.2M short.

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[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I've got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn't able to download it in time.

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[–] JRaccoon@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good luck trying to "shut down" a open source software.. Still sucks tho, why Nintendo gotta make so good games but be so shitty of a company otherwise

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Unfortunately Nintendo will happily chase anyone that distributes this as aggressively as Metallica chased people around in the Napster days.

Of course the tools will never be fully scoured.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 34 points 8 months ago

I got all the latest builds of Yuzu, which will I will soon upload to Mega, but it didn't occur to me to download the tools.

[–] hakase@lemm.ee 33 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Is there any way to turn off Yuzu auto-update? I don't want my computer connecting to a website that Nintendo now owns every time I boot up Yuzu.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 21 points 8 months ago

Good point. I added yuzu-emu.org and all its subdomains to my custom blocklist in adguard for now. Alternatively you can put yuzu-emu.org, api.yuzu-emu.org and profile.yuzu-emu.org on your host file to block them.

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] accideath@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ok, so I’m not gonna buy anything from Nintendo anymore. Got it.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 25 points 8 months ago

Welp. I guess it's time to pirate double that in Nintendo IP.

[–] Gakomi@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ryujinx is still around, also fuck Nintendo even thought I had bought all the games I play on Yuzu from here on out if I ever buy a Nintendo console it will be only if there is a method to pirate games on that shit. They don't deserve my money cause their hardware is shit it was 5 years outdated when the switch came out. I want to play my games at 60 FPS and without my eyes bleeding due to the shit resolution and anti-aliasing. So if they want my money they need to pull a Sony and release their games on pc!

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 8 months ago (22 children)

I'm just sorry for them. 2.4M dollars? How will they ever pay this? Do you think they will actually have to pay it fully?

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] pkpenguin@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Definitely not. You'd have to be naive to think Nintendo wasn't aware of Yuzu since long, long, long before this.

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[–] zerkrazus@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure something else will eventually come along. The only way to stop emulators from existing is to not have a system at all. I.e., if Nintendo were to stop making video game hardware, then there would be no new emulators except for ones developed for previous/existing hardware.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That was fast.

Glad I haven't bought anything Nintendo since the Wii.

They could disappear for all I care.

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[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Now that yuzu is gone they're going to be rolling in theoretical money.

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