The supreme court is picking the next president, just like they did with Bush v. Gore. They are just doing it before the election, instead of after.
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This is worse. Bush v Gore was about an election that just happened. It was about an actual case.
Here, the supreme Court took a very narrowly decided case, ignored the decision, and then changed the question being asked to one they want to answer.
Further, the special prosecutor asked them months ago "hey, can you take up this case now rather than delaying everything" which is something previous courts have done (for example, Bush v Gore).
But instead, they delayed, pushed to the lower court, delayed since more,.
It's rat fucking to the extreme. The Supreme Court has no legitimacy.
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No less than three of the current Supreme Court "Justices" were on Bush's legal team in Bush v. Gore.
Quite. And Bush v. Gore was in 2000; in 2001, just four months into office, Bush appointed Roberts to the DC appellate court, which was a very cushy appointment for a lawyer who'd never even been a judge.
Then, in 2005 when a Supreme Court seat finally opened up (Sandra Day O'Connor retired) Bush gave it to John Roberts. Surprise, surprise.
But wait, there's more. When Chief Justice William Rehnquist happened to die during Roberts' SCOTUS confirmation hearings, Bush gave Roberts the Chief Justice position.
In other words, in just four short years after Bush v. Gore, John Roberts rocketed from being nothing but a very well-connected lawyer straight up to Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court -- with nothing more than a brief stint as an appellate court judge in between on his resume, and he even got that with zero prior experience on the bench.
Thanks I hate it.
It's insane that in the US people know the political leaning of their supreme court justices. I don't know of any other country where that's the case.
In Germany, the judges of the Bundesverfassungsgericht might have political leanings too, but they can only have that position for up to 12 years (after which they can't be reelected) and have to abdicate when reaching the age of 68.
Yeah, I think it would take another tumultuous period for America before they could reform. Plenty of corruption in US and other places happen due to legal and logical sophistry.
That's quite interesting. Didn't know that wasn't the normal and now I have something to look into. It seems like the political leanings is the only thing that's ever talked about so will be interesting to see how they do it else where.
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Obviously Trump would do this.
You can thank AG Merrick Garland for allowing this to happen, who did jack shit for 2 years until finally tapping in Jack Smith to actually do something to hold the traitor in chief accountable.
You can thank AG Merrick Garland for allowing this to happen
...who ironically would've been a current Supreme Court justice himself were it not for McConnell's and Trump's f**kery.
You know, that’s pretty interesting to consider. Wonder what his performance as AG can tell us about how he would have been on SCOTUS.
Maybe we can still find out, if Biden admin resizes the court. Is it too late to do so before the presidential immunity hearing?
I think Biden had said long ago that he wouldn't do that no matter what; in this political environment it probably wouldn't happen anyway.
By the way, appellate courts sit right below the U.S. Supreme Court and there are currently 13 of them.
Some legal experts argue there should be one supreme court justice per appellate court, because that was the ratio when the appellate court system was first established in 1891 -- nine supreme court justices and nine appellate courts.
Garland was Obama's compromise choice to make it through the Republican Senate. Before the pick was made, one Senator (might have been Graham, but I can't find a quote right now) specifically said that that he thought Obama's pick would be DoA, because it would be too liberal, and not a more acceptable, centrist choice like Merrick Garland.
That's what prompted McConnell (and Graham, who was Judiciary Chairman IIRC) to simply sit in the nomination and not allow it to progress. Because they knew that if it were sent to a vote, it would have passed, and gambled on having the open seat drive turnout for Trump.
It Garland was on the court instead of Gorsuch, things might not be all that much different. Recall that Dobbs was decided 6-3, which means that, all other things being equal, Gorsuch's vote was unnecessary.
I fear we’re headed toward a dark future. Why the SC “justices” think they’ll be spared is puzzling.
They are rich sociopaths. If you have money and zero empathy for your fellow humans, your future can't really get dark.
Exactly.
Imagine thinking we don't live in a plutocracy... I hate our public brainwashing "education." We indoctrinate kids into thinking America The Great is a thing, or For the People. Yeah... It's For the ~~rich~~ People...
(Not that I want private schools. I just want public education to be about reality, not an indoctrination into brainwashed subservient society)
It can get very, very dark for them. Ask Mike Pence.
Maybe but nothing will happen to them and you'll suffer as a result. You won't be spared... That's the reality.
"Justice Delayed is Justice Denied"
Normally when people say that, it's because people can suffer if the the justice takes too long, even if it does eventually give the right result. In this case, it might literally be denied. If Trump wins he's going to do everything in his power to stop all legal proceedings against him and retaliate against anybody who dared to go against him.
I know complex cases can take a while, but really 4 years is too long. Even if there weren't the threat of the election and his being able to pardon himself, it's too long. This really should have been done before the midterm elections two years ago.
This is a violation of Trump's sixth amendment rights.
"the accused in a criminal prosecution shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial".
I say we open a rights violation case and see if we can get him his speedy trial.
Fuck Merrick Garland. He did this.
Biden needs to pull a Jackson and start ignoring the Supreme Court.
The entire U.S. needs to start ignoring the "supreme" court.
If Biden wins, and the Democrats pull off a majority in the House and Senate, they need to pack the court, Fillibuster be damned. Expand it to 11 on July 2025, and 13 in July of 2027. The recent decisions, as unpopular as they are, should build up enough popular support for this.
Then they need to sit down with Republicans and say "Hey! We'll give you a choice. Work with us to reform the Court to add term limits via amendment and make any single sudden vacancy less of a political football, or watch as Dark Brandon appoints 4 Liberal justices in their early 40s to lifetime appointments."
First off biden will never pack the court, second the democrats are going to lose the senate. Republicans will never agree to term limits and I don't think democrats will either, they are both obsessed with power and any limits will be shot down. We are fucked no matter what, it's just how fast we are fucked. (I would also add that this is politicians and not the people they are supposed to represent)
I would not underestimate how pissed off the liberal electorate is at the Court right now. And while you are correct that Democrats are unlikely to retain the Senate, they were also not likely to keep it last time, and they did.
Even if Biden is not inclined to do so, if Democrats do manage it there will be a push for it.
And it's been demonstrated that Republicans only respond to force (metaphorical, in this case). The way to get them to support term limits is to limit their choices so if they don't, they get an even worse outcome.
Biden will happily hand Trump the presidency "out of respect for the office" and be immediately arrested for the show trial as Trump begins his 1000 year reign as Lord Emperor.
Fuck Mitch McConnell, Justice Ginsberg and Justice Kennedy. They did this.
FTFY
We will know by the amount of time it takes them to reach judgement on his insane argument. By June SCOTUS is fully complicit.
It shouldn't have taken any time. They should have denied cert.
The fact that at least 4 justices granted it is beyond ridiculous.
Further, they've delayed the hearing until the end of April, which is extremely stupid, they are hearing cases now.
They may not even issue a decision in June with the rest of the cases, it may be next year. And if that's the case and trump is elected, he could stop the hearing in it's tracks by pardoning himself.
They seriously took the position "yeah, the ruling that said in this specific instance with Trump, a president cannot be immune. A perfectly reasonable take given there's so many more mundane reasons why the FBI might convict a former president.
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Wealthy people have decades using the slow legal system and other legal loopholes to take advantage of the capitalist system, they made the capitalist system so obviously they made it to work better for them than for the 99%.
Fascists pretend to care about the law, but all they really care about is power. Liberals pretend to care about power, but all they really care about is order.
Won't be an issue unless idiots allow a Trump victory.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Wednesday’s action by the high court, made up of six conservatives and three liberals, plainly gives Trump a new measure of success and buys him more time before possible trial on election subversion in Washington, DC.
Overall, the timetable is fast compared to the regular calendar for high court briefing, oral arguments, and eventual resolution, which typically plays out over many months or close to a year.
Smith, earlier this month, cited the nature of the alleged crimes as he urged the justices to let the DC Circuit decision against presidential immunity stand and allow the case to go to trial.
Earlier in February, the Supreme Court held a special oral argument session on whether states could keep Trump off presidential ballots under a constitutional provision barring insurrectionists from holding future office.
The justices appeared ready to reverse a Colorado Supreme Court ruling that would prevent Trump from running for office because of his attempts to overturn the valid 2020 election results.
That case brought by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg alleges a cover-up to conceal payments before the 2016 election to adult film star Stormy Daniels, who said she had an affair with Trump.
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