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[–] generaldenmark@programming.dev 112 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Americans be like; “If you can’t afford to pay 69% tip then don’t go out eating at all”

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you're going to say "69%" , you need to call it eating out, not out eating.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Also, complaining that things will cost too much if waiters eek by on more than minimum wage.

[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The cost is literally the same... Restaurants would just be upfront about it then.

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[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 106 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (39 children)

Something I don't get, why is it percentage based? I mean, I get it from the waiters perspective. But as a customer? Whether my one plate of food is 20$ or 200$, he did the same thing. Scaling with more items or time spent would seem more appropriate.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 122 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you are are trying to find logic within tipping you might as well chase windmills. It's dumb as bolts.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Chasing a windmill would be really easy tho.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 92 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (34 children)

The whole damn system exists to place the burden of a living wage on the customer while the company paying peanuts can claim no wrongdoing. And the really sad part is: it has worked.

Edit: and there are many, many businesses that wouldn't be in business if they actually had to pay competitive wages on their own. The invisible hand can fix nothing if tipping culture says to throw more and more arbitrary amounts of money at people to subsidize their wages yourself. At some point (I'd argue we're past it already), the band-aid needs to get ripped off. Only then will we see self-correction. The almost immediate loss of many businesses will likely trigger other actions. It's already a no-win scenario.

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[–] quackers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 10 months ago (15 children)

Keep this garbage out of europe please. i see it popping up. I will absolutely refuse to tip a single goddamn soul at this point going forward.

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[–] Rooter@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (33 children)

"Other struggling people are not the enemy".

Op is jeff bezos alt account.

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 63 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Every time we go to Toronto we go to the same restaurant because they don't accept tips, they just pay their staff really well. Fantastic restaurant and I love supporting them.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That's how it should be. Tips supplement incomes so restaurant owners can pocket the profits that would have gone to paying their staff better. If all restaurants moved to this model, everyone would be a lot happier.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 57 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I've literally never seen a waiter get angry about not leaving a 25% tip. Can we please avoid manufactured outrage?

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Actually pay restaurant workers a decent wage goddammit!

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[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 51 points 10 months ago (69 children)

I just stopped going to places or using services that expect me to tip. I hate the idea of tipping.

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[–] Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Restaurants when they expect a 40% tip after you drive to the store for pickup

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I remember when I realized tipping is insane (like 15 years ago at a bar). One of my friends was talking the waitress up and she was complaining about another table and the tip she expected. Some quick math worked out to she expected 40%.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 35 points 10 months ago

Keep in mind by doing that she probably raised her tip from your friend by at least 10%. I wouldn't assume there wasn't some strategy in that conversation.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 42 points 10 months ago (10 children)

It does annoy me slightly when POS systems have placeholder tip amounts but they're like 18%, 20%, and 25%. Sorry, but I just do the standard 15% in most cases so now I gotta calculate it out in my head.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna go with the standard 0% or round up the number if i feel like it.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 22 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Right? Like why is people's STANDARD giving money away.

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[–] m_f@midwest.social 25 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I just had a POS machine recommend 20%, 25%, or 30% for percentages. It seems like it's increasing

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (7 children)

How about increasing wages to promote more consumer spending? Henry Ford-- a literal Nazi-- of all people, knew this!

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[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

we're on the verge of a recession I gotta cut back

someone should make and serve my meals for me

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (36 children)

I don’t really get why the expected percentage went up. 15% was the standard for a LONG time. 20% meant you thought they were great. Now 15 is considered shitty, like an insult, and we’re supposed to do 18 or 25 or 30. Meanwhile prices also went up. Why am I supposed to tip 25% now? Service hasn’t changed.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 months ago (7 children)

One thing: We're not on the verge of a recession. The right wing media needs to make things up to attack and that was one of them. I couldn't believe all that talk, nothing happened, nothing was about to happen, but they fear mongered for months.

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[–] LoamImprovement@ttrpg.network 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Look at Mr. Fatcat over here eating out while we're on the verge of a recession.

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[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

$70 is a few days worth of food if you do groceries. Plus $0 tips

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Getting real sick of the customer holding the weight of being the financial planner for a business and the owners getting by with no blame for wage stealing and shitty business practices in this circumstance.

[–] TedJ70@aussie.zone 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Why not pay hospitality workers a halfway decent wage, and leave tipping for exemplary service? That's how it works in the rest of the developed world.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago (22 children)

Ahh yes, verge of a recession, but there's enough money to patronize a sit down restaurant where it's well known that the owner pays their staff starvation wages. Fuck your server!

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (38 children)

Don't hate the player, the owner is the one to blame

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (32 children)

If you can't afford the bill then don't eat there. That sucks to hear I know. However the only way we're going to reign in costs is by sticking to what's affordable. If restaurants can't charge that price then food distributors have to lower prices too. We all benefit by sticking to affordability.

If you're worried about money you absolutely should open up the restaurant's menu on their website or before you order and figure out what you can afford with a 20% surcharge. That said tipping was created by the industry to externalize costs and it needs to go die in a fire.

[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

I don't eat out at resturants ever - and guess what! When that happens, they bitch and moan about my not supporting local businesses, and steal millions in PPP loans!

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You'll hate to hear this, but restaurants struggling to fill positions and having to offer more benefits and pay to attract wait staff is the only way to end tipping culture. Tipping will never end itself.

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[–] Ignisnex@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

Last night, my wife and I ordered Chinese for Valentine's Day. Cost $100. Tried to tip the delivery guy a $20, and he turned it down lol. He then gave my cat a temptations treat, out of a freshly opened bag he had in his pocket. Dude was amazing!

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Went to my normally favorite bar today and they updated their tipping button recommendations to "20%", "69%", and "100%". The 69% was the default option which while I know they're memeing, seemed really uncool as I nearly clicked approve without noticing.

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[–] Nurgle@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

On the verge of a recession is gonna be new go to excuse.

“Sorry babe, can’t do a bday gift this year. Nothing has changed for me, but there may or may not be a recession lurking in the shadows”

[–] Nurgle@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

Lmfao 🤣 Same face my chauffeur makes when he doesn’t get his Christmas bonus cause we’re on the verge of a recession

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