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What's America's view on this Tucker Carlson?

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[–] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 159 points 8 months ago (30 children)

"Sooner or later this will end in agreement," was Putin's message, arguing that Nato was coming to realise that defeating Russia on the battlefield would be impossible.

Does Putin realize that NATO is effectively fighting Russia with both arms tied behind it's back right now? We're funding Ukraine (who are doing a phenomenal job, fwiw), but we're not even giving them the top of the line hardware. If the US actually got involved, Russia would pretty much instantly lose any glimmer of air superiority they have, and Ukraine could advance all the way to Moscow under NATO air cover. Like, the only reason Russia still exists is because NATO hasn't even tried to fight Russia on the battlefield yet.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 160 points 8 months ago (2 children)

NATO isn't even fighting. NATO gave Ukraine their old boxing gloves and some advice.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

And we're learning that a teenager with a drone can be hilariously effective against modern weapons.

So is Russia. Except Russia is learning how to combat the kids with drones too. They're gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren't.

Reports vary from side to side, from showing that Russians are curb stomping Ukraine to Ukraine is holding it's own. So, sure, NATO tossing the kid gloves to Ukraine and putting up a fight is comforting, but it isn't the whole picture. Russia wins a war of attrition. NATO is made up of democracies and war fatigue sets in fast when it's someone else's war. Russia is a de facto fascist dictatorship with deep oil pockets. The only thing that turns their troops around is the head of state dying, or a massive coup. Reports of ether being imminent seem to be rather premature.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 20 points 8 months ago

War attrition sets in much slower when you're not at war.

Yes, my government is sending some old equipment and dedicating 10% of the military budget (which is like 2% of the total spending) to help Ukraine.

That is much less shocking than "Dave from school came back without a leg, and my cousin John didn't come back at all".

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 months ago

They're gaining invaluable battlefield experience that NATO troops simply aren't.

Oh, yes they are. Ukraine is in close contact with NATO countries and sharing intel. NATO countries are also buying drones in bulk right now. And developing ones that Russia will not see until they try to pick a fight with NATO.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 64 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My guess is is does, but he wants the US to lose interest and move on so coloring this as an exercise in futility helps further that goal.

[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 26 points 8 months ago

Propaganda works. Period.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

And it's great propaganda! Unless you are a smart Russian and realize he'll sacrifice as many Russian citizens as necessary to keep up the hoax.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 111 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In general, IMO this is getting way more press than it deserves.

[–] Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca 79 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, a lot of it is outrage bait. That is basically how Trump got elected, outrage -> coverage, coverage->legitimacy.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It is fairly significant, he's an aggressor in a war currently affecting everything from NATO to inflation. And he has denied access to Western interviewers up until now (in recent times).

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Because our "free press" is just the "ad fee press" now. Their ONLY concern is how much they can profit off of news coverage. Outrage = clicks/views = ad revenue.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 68 points 8 months ago (6 children)

what a waste of a great assassination possibility...

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Putin really missed his chance.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah, the old Lemmy switcheroo!

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[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 20 points 8 months ago

Tucker Carlson don't got that Seth Rogan build type for a mission like that...

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 12 points 8 months ago

But attack can take strange forms. And you will remember the tooth. The tooth. You will remember the tooth.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 65 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The American had touted his sit-down with Putin as a triumph for free speech, asserting that he was heading where no Western news outlets dared to tread.

its amazing that carlson points out his own purpose here is not 'news'.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 72 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Amusingly, even the russian government corrected him on that too - to paraphrase, "we have lots of requests to interview Putin, he just doesn't want to do it"

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 68 points 8 months ago

“we have lots of requests to interview Putin, he just doesn’t want to do it”

Because they're actual journalists who would ask serious questions.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The even more amazing part is that the Kremlin debunked him. They said they constantly get interview requests from journalists. They just never accept them.

Edit: Just saw this posted as a response already.

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 21 points 8 months ago

That's ok, now I can upvote it twice

[–] AirDevil@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know when you're at a park, see a dog, feel something squish under your foot, and then pick up your fooh to look at it? Yeah, exactly like that but in human form

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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Tucker is our most famous right-winger. That's basically it. He can say whatever the hell he wants, due to our first amendment, which protects both freedom of speech and freedom of the press. This includes a freedom to willfully lie, unfortunately, unless one has been placed under oath.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But it shouldn't allow him to call what he does "news" or "journalism". Him, and others like him, should have bumpers before and after every segment that says "the views expressed are purely the opinion of the host and do not necessarily reflect reality or facts" and not at the breakneck speed they used to do those car dealer and drug commercial disclaimers.

[–] Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That actually existed until Reagan repealed it. That paved the way for Rush Limbaugh and the rest snowballed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

He has just posted a video of him receiving gifts from the enemy, and he is giving aid to the enemy. This is not speech, this is an attack on America's interests.

It's one thing to campaign in the US and say "I like it when Putin genocides Ukrainians", but it's another thing to be paid by a country that we're indirectly at war with, and provide publishing and broadcasting services to their president, a man who is on the US Sanction list. The illegal thing here is not the speech, it's the business transaction.

Subpoena Tucker's emails and phone and prosecute for illegal business transactions.

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[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My view as an American is that Tucker Carlson is a traitor, white supremacist, and known propagandist, fuck that guy, in the ass, with a cactus.

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[–] Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The part where he claims to have asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO was hilarious, whether he ever asked Clinton or not. Other than that most of the interview was "We're just reclaiming Russian land from over a century ago" and "China is the real enemy".

[–] eighthourlunch@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The only way I'd watch Tucker Carlson on purpose is in a cage fight with Mike Tyson. Pay-per-view is fine, but I'll travel if I have to.

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[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

My take is that Poland and Latvia need to secure their borders. Soon

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[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't get over the complete lack of a chin.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago
[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 22 points 8 months ago

Remember when Lee Harvey Oswald defected to russia? And then changed his mind? I forget what happened after that.

Yep. Mmm hmmm.

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] brothershamus@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

“Putin, what is your idea of a perfect Sunday?”

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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

I was expecting the interview to be over tea on the balcony.

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Cucker Tarlson bringing us the “real” story. Putin is worried about slanted journalists not agreeing with his narrative, gets the biggest softball pitcher ever and can’t even talk around his ego. Mad cringe.

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The article says absolutely nothing about what Putin said

[–] ralphio@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I watched, but it truly is a bunch of rambling.

Putin pushed the CIA sniper incitement conspiracy theory, but didn't present evidence.

On the Nazi thing, he seems to be pivoting to he invaded because Ukraine doesn't have strong enough laws to prevent Nazi speech. Again not very compelling.

He again brings up the conflict pre-invasion in east UA, but fails to mention that Russia was backing the insurgents.

He brings up that the change of power in 2014 wasn't done to the letter of the UA constitution, but fails to mention that the current government clearly has a popular mandate.

He rehashes all the arguments that the West has been the aggressor since the fall of the USSR with NATO expansion.

Other than that it was pretty off topic. Tucker doesn't press him much at all, and when he does Putin deflects and Tucker gives up.

Overall nothing you wouldn't expect.

ETA: just remembered, this was kind of strange. The Nord Stream pipeline blasts were brought up and it was one of the few things that Tucker pushed him on for evidence that UA/US were behind it, but Putin doesn't want to talk evidence. It's kinda weird since this might be the one point where Russia has some ground to stand on, but Putin just defects. Maybe he doesn't want to set a precedent that evidence is required.

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