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[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 26 points 7 months ago (3 children)

With everybody and their grandma shoving their cloud into your face, I’m happy there still are flash drives for sale.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

The thing I really want to see more are USB-C thumb drives. It seems they’re all usb-A or large SSD drives for USB-C. A tiny keychain sized C would be awesome.

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

SanDisk has an entire line of USB C thumb drives, they are my to-go choice

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Sandisk is still selling their portable ssds that are failing at an alarming rate and wiping peoples data.

Dont worry though, because after slashing their price globally to sell the defective models fast, they released a firmware update for one of them and not the others.

Looking into it deeper, its clearly a hardware design flaw that WD is still denying, even after changing the hardware on new versions of the drive. The hardware change is also apprently still failing.

WD/Sandisk isnt worth trusting as storage anymore. The way they ignored customer data loss for months, pretended to fix the hardware issue with software, then only ever replied to evidence of hardware flaws when sued by a class action, should tell you they are no longer a reputable brand.

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

I had no idea about this, thanks for sharing

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Samsung has ones that are dual side, so both USB-A and -C. Really helpful for moving files between phone and PC while still having backup storage.

[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

I should read replies before I comment. I said the same thing. Great little drive

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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Samsung has a nice one that has both A and C. And it's USB 3.1.

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I help out with a school activity for my kids and the organizer bought a bunch of 8 GB USB sticks off of Amazon for it, against my advice. We only needed a few hundred megs for the data, but some families had more than one kid in the group and needed 2x or 3x the data. 8 GB seemed to be the cheapest price point available in quantity at the time.

As we made the drives we found that some batches were always failing to copy properly. We then realized that it was always the batches with more data. After doing some forensic analysis, we determined that the entire batch of drives was only 512 MB of usable space, but still registered as 8 GB to the OS. Whenever the write went past that point, it corrupted files, but since the directory isn't stored in the same place, all the files would still show up in the directory list. It would only be when you opened the file that you would realize the data was gone.

I'm just glad I found it while we could still fix the problem by buying from a better source.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If anyone thinks they might have this issue in the future, or just wants to see if they might have a fake drive, GRC's ValiDrive was made specifically for this sort of task (testing for bad drives, but as part of a data recovery/maintenance task). Steve Gibson puts out quality software, and I can't recommend him enough.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Damn, Steve is still around doing stuff? That guy is brilliant.

Think I first read about him in about 1992. Some of the stuff he's written is really brilliant insight into how things work, especially storage.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, still going strong and working on SpinRite 6.1/7 to work better with modern drives. That's actually why he made ValiDrive, because he was getting reports about these kind of problematic drives.

Also, if you're not aware of it, check out his podcast Security Now, it's a good listen every week and he explains concepts in a very approachable way.

[–] slumberlust@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Glad to see this here! Love the twit podcasts. Fuck Amazon and their apathy around any semblance of quality control or responsibility for products they ship.

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[–] TheIllustrativeMan@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yeah, at this point don't buy anything on Amazon that you want to be legit.

I need some SD cards, but I'm waiting until I can make a trip to MicroCenter. No way in hell I'd risk ordering on Amazon.

[–] 01011@monero.town 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I always use f3probe when I buy a new usb drive or micro sd. I seem to have gotten lucky using Amazon in the past. It's other suppliers that I've found to be most unreliable. https://fight-flash-fraud.readthedocs.io/en/latest/introduction.html

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apparently the latest ones have even more usable space within the fake size: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UsWx1iO-aeA

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 10 points 7 months ago

You get what you measure holds true today as it always has.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism and the race to the bottom, of course.

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[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 7 points 7 months ago

I'm glad the article linked to this one:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/low-performance-external-m2-nvme-ssd-found-to-have-microsd-cards-inside

because that has been going on for at least 15 years (that I know of). When ebay was at it's peak it was impossible to buy a good USB stick there because it seemed you could only get 512 mb sticks disguised as 32 gb sticks with a price in between the two and coming directly from China.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Never cheap out on data storage unless you're okay losing what you store. Always get an independently well reviewed product from a known band

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Sounds like part of the issue might be that your not-so-cheap storage might still be using the cheap components...

There's plenty of stuff that masquerades as trusted brands, ends up mixed in the inventory of a certain large etailer and is actually fake crap under the hood. There's also the real brands' merch that can be good but make a run with cheap components in the name of cutting costs, or with flakey firmware that may cost reliability for a slight uptick in performance. A certain brand of SSD had the latter issue years ago, and it's looks like there's a lawsuit against Western Digital for that currently.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 6 points 7 months ago

This doesn't help with counterfeit though. So many conterfeit usb thumsticks these days. They're might be obvious for tech-savvy users to identify (blue usb jack but slow ass usb 2.0 speed, or weird typo in device name), but most person probably wouldn't notice they're using conterfeit devices.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A lot of times you only use a flash drive to move files from one device to another, in which case if the quality matches the price then it might not be a big deal

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I guess that would fall under the "don't care if you lose the data" scenario.

Though even then, I'd be annoyed at my time being wasted if I couldn't copy the file off again

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 5 points 7 months ago

Data recovery firm CBL reports that memory chips in the most recent microSD cards and USB sticks are perhaps the most unreliable.

Homer: "the most unreliable so far"

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean caveat emporium applies here and if you want cheap storage from Amazon sponsored cheap ass flash drive or when microcenter branded drivers by the checkout, those have always been the risks.

And honestly, as long as you understand that cheap shit is cheap components, I really don't have a problem with this since this saves these chips from being instant e-waste and puts it to use.

Still got a handful of these no-name microcenter SD and USB drives going strong along with those that have up the ghost.

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago

Did you mean caveat emptor (buyer beware), or do you refer to Amazon as caveat emporium (the beware market)?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The company says that in its business, it's finding more and more devices with cut-down memory chips with manufacturer names removed

Removing the identification from the top of ICs isn't that uncommon

Clearly discarded and unrecognizable microSD cards are also soldered onto a USB stick and managed with the external one on the USB stick board instead of the microSD's internal controller

This makes sense, the memory controller on uSD card doesn't normally do wear levelling and stuff that a larger flash drive does.

These chips are not completely broken, but CBL notes they come with reduced storage capacity, implying that reducing capacity was how they were salvaged.

Isn't disabling bad blocks of memory chips and selling them at the lower capacity pretty common?

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My school back in the day used to sell dirt cheap diskettes of such a bad quality you had to copy everything you had on there to your PC as soon as you got home because if you waited until morning the data would already be corrupted. Funny to see flash drives going the same way.

This makes me laugh because I absolutely remember getting a faulty diskette as a kid in the early 90s. I saved my files from school fail on the library computers and crying because it took me like an hour to type up a solid 2 paragraphs.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

So this is how I could buy a 2 TERAbyte usb thumb drive from Ali Express for a few bucks?

You're saying I should throw it away, right?

Because I would never be able to read the data that I thought was written to it?

[–] Fapper_McFapper@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It’s probably a new plan to make USB sticks a subscription based system. You want access to your data? That’ll be 19.99 a month.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Nah, this is just garden variety chinesium product fraud. Unfortunately, you can make a bit of coin putting out drives that misreport the physical space available, especially if it takes a while for the purchasers to notice what they actually bought. It's even worse when you're looking into getting bulk orders for swag drives. Because those tend to be a race to the bottom for prices, and it's all but guaranteed to be a good while before the drives get a real test, so it's that much easier to get away with. And worst case, you get caught and have to make up a new white label company to sell the same trash to consumers.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Would Lemmings be so kind as to post their USB-A/C memory sticks of choice?

Right now I have a small collection of Kingston USB drives I bought a decade ago. Haven't had any issues with them yet, but I know they won't last forever. They're all named Reebok[storage capacity] (because sneaker-net).

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I really like what explainingcomputers did for their pi4 build, where they basically convert a m.2 SSD into a big usb thumb drive with a simple metal enclosure. Check it out, the timestamp you want is 6:25

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I went this route as well. You can get a good quality usb 3.1 portable nvme enclosure for ~$20-$30 (be careful not to accidentally buy the msata version, which is cheaper but slower). Now you have a very fast thumbdrive! The main drawback is, unlike traditional thumbdrive, I can't use it on my android phone. Not sure if higher end phone with usb 3.1 port can actually use it.

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't have a need for any (if I need USB storage for an OS image or such there's always the card reader and a 64G Samsung MicroSD I have lying around), but if in doubt I'd go with Samsung or Crucial on the basis, just like with SSDs, that they produce their own NAND.

...and looking around it doesn't seem that Crucial is producing USB sticks. So Samsung it is. 10 bucks for 64G for the cheapest isn't bad if you ask me. Fast ones the cheapest seems to be around 30 bucks for 256G, 400MB/s read 110MB/s write that's bordering on SATA speeds.

Kingston certainly is a reputable company though, they won't use completely bargain-bin chips or pull false capacity shenanigans. But they also won't be significantly cheaper than the chip manufacturers.

Another option would be to buy a USB case for an old SATA or M.2 SSD you have lying around, or are eyeing to upgrade. Or use your phone.

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[–] FelipeFelop@discuss.online 1 points 7 months ago (10 children)

An interesting point not touched upon is that the types of people using USB sticks has changed. Because the use of technology filters down from tech savvy, to general population, to people late to the scene or can’t change.

We are in that last stage now. They are buying by price and so easier to take advantage of.

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