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That's an expensive one turn kill. About 2.500β¬ going by cheapest listing on cardmarket. Of which Channel and Fireball contribute about 0,04β¬ to the grand total.
It's certainly more than that. That lotus and mox are in great condition. I think 2500 euros for an unlimited lotus in that condition would be an absolute steal. I'd put this specific opener closer to the price of a new car
Oh sure. I just went for the same card, not the exact same edition with the same condition. Just cheapest listing.
Hey man. Don't breathe on my retirement fund.
Nah, the Lotus and Ruby are both fake. Look at the corners on the Channel and Fireball, the way they're cut is what real cards look like. The Lotus and Ruby have perfectly round corners which is an obvious sign of a fake card.
Oh shit nice catch. I just saw pic on mobile and didn't look too closely. Yeah, those don't look real
More importantly, who the hell owns a Lotus and a Ruby in that condition ungraded?
You'd be surprised. I was watching eternal weekend vintage finals and one dude legitimately had a $40,000 deck in a shitty 1 piece plastic folding deck box notorious for scratching/bending cards. Some people just got them cheap when they were new and will never sell them so they don't care about the value
Right, but what are the odds that the cards are still in mint condition being treated like that?
Look, if you had lotus, fireball, mox, and channel in your opener you deserve to win that game
If you're even known to own a Lotus nobody will even come near you. It's been enough to keep me safely separated from the game for decades. It's kind of like having a nuke in your sidecar.
I feel like if anyone in my playgroup ever got one we'd let them keep it in the deck until they get a real satisfying win from it, then either they take it out or everyone is allowed a proxy of it. Or possibly a 'spwcial occasion' card like their birthday or if they've had a rough week and just need a win. I've also been known to keep some messed up cards in my side board in case someone joins our pod and they end up being an asshole, I can swap out and get them to pick up their ball and go home
I can dig it. If somebody is being an ass, I tend to bring out this one.
All your creatures are dead. Your dog is dead. Your cat is dead. Your mom is dead. Your friends are dead. The fleas in your underpants are dead. Everyone you ever knew is dead. You are dead. One million damage to you and everyone who looks like you.
Rocks. Fall.
Everyone. Dies.
This isn't the most powerful combo especially against multicolor decks with lots of fancy mana producers, but I'm partial to this combo in my mono green commander:
Nobody expects green to vaporize all the islands out of a deck or whatever. Big "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" energy. That whole deck is a nonsense engine, mono green but wins without attacking (mostly direct damage or milling). A lot of people don't know how to play against it so it is especially fun to bother cocky players with expensive decks but little experience
You got a decklist?
This is outdated I've scaled back the control some in favor of power artifacts. Also the "side board" is like another 30 or so cards I swap chunks out for depending on the feel (like if I want to do group hug, play to win, fuck with a specific person in the playgroup, etc). But should get the general idea across: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/heckin-snekin-elf-control/
Interesting, thanks for sharing! How often do you get your commander out, I'm wondering? I imagine playing all of the mana dorks likely nets you lots of mana early on, but 8 cmc is quite a lot still
It can be a bit rough to get them out sometimes especially with how few land are in the deck. I usually aim to have them out turn 5 or 6 but sometimes I never pull off getting them out. Part of the current deck list is having more viable options if they aren't on the board. The whole deck can be stopped dead if someone targets the commander and I over invest trying to bring them out again
My fav from back in the day was Wirewood Channeler + Pemmin's Aura + any other elf, then something like Demonfire or Warbreak Trumpeter.
Until a man is twenty-five, he still thinks, every so often, that under the right circumstances he could be the baddest motherfucker in the world. If I moved to a martial-arts monastery in China and studied real hard for ten years. If my family was wiped out by Colombian drug dealers and I swore myself to revenge. If I got a fatal disease, had one year to live, devoted it to wiping out street crime. If I just dropped out and devoted my life to being bad. Hiro used to feel that way, too, but then he ran into Raven. In a way, this is liberating. He no longer has to worry about trying to be the baddest motherfucker in the world. The position is taken.
I played in an "illegal deck" tourney many years back, probably around Fallen Empires release, so the card pool was still relatively small and power cards weren't commanding the premium they do today. The rules called for a minimum 40-card deck but no limit or restrictions to any cards. I played decks that were literally just lotuses, mountains, channels, and fireballs and i frequently lost first turn. The deck i always think about from that tourney was composed of time walks, ancestrals, timetwisters, lotuses, sapphires, rubies, and ball lightnings. He would just keep gaining cards and playing more lotuses etc, take extra turns, throw a ball lightning at you, end turn, rinse and repeat. At least it took a minute to lose the game against him, lol!
I had a crappy deck loaded with Llanowar elves, giant growths, and the 1 berzerk i had. I only found out about the tourney after i got to the show, so it was just slapped together onsite with whatever i could find from vendors. It didn't matter in the end--the deck didn't stand a chance...but I'm glad i played--even if only to see some of these stacks of rare cards getting shuffled game after game without sleeves ΰ² _ΰ²
My favorite version of the anything goes 40 card deck is a lot like the one you've described, but it swaps ball lightning for brainstorm and wins by making your opponent draw their entire deck into their hand and then passing the turn.
A 4-card combo sounds pretty difficult to pull off. Also, 3 of those cards are banned or restricted, depending upon what format you're playing.
Those three cards are banned/restricted because of this combo.
The point is to ensure you can pull it off by jiggering your deck specifically around having a high or guaranteed chance of having one each of these in your initial draw.
Recently started to get into MTG. Biggest problem I encountered is that you want to spend money sensibly, but you can't really grasp the idea of deck power before you play hundreds of games with different decks.
Because of it I can't build my own decks since I have no idea how to make them viable, and can't choose a strong deck online for the same reason. Precons are nice but even in casual setting they only get you so far
This is why so many people play drafts at local game shops. It achieves two things: 1) you get experience playing the game with a limited number of unique cards and everyone has similar chances of getting the cards they want and need and 2) you build your collection by keeping the cards you drafted and winning additional packs if you won any games. There are plenty of people at these shops that would be willing to help you with deck building too.
IMO drafts are by far one of the hardest formats, especially when it's standard draft. Not only do you need to have a good understanding of deck building (let's face it most players really don't) but you also need to understand the set you're about to play (or you won't know what to pick or what archetypes there are). And that's not even talking about actual drafting experience, because that also requires skill.
I've played for years and I never got into draft because of those reasons. It was just too different to rest of MTG.
I spent about 3 years trying to get into various tcg and drafts was easily the best. There are still try hards but they height is reading the release list so it's basically "dude, we got a Dinoraxis of the Tyberior" "Hell yeah, there's a rosaro here as well". And then they play similarly leveled decks. Thankfully MTG is way better at intermediate levels then PokΓ©mon or YuGiOh. People who play those games actively don't want fresh blood the way they play.
I've been avoiding drafts right because it's not just building a deck but doing it in seconds on the go seems like much more stressful idea haha.
I'm afraid I'm gonna pick something completely unplayable, with screwed manabase and will sit through the entire game with nothing to cast D:
Yeah it is difficult, maybe not the best way to learn. But making mistakes and seeing how others play their decks can be valuable experience imo.
~~Believe in the heart of the cards.~~ Minmax the fuck out of your deck.
Screw the rules, I have money!
Meanwhile, Cards Against Humanity:
"White cards. Black cards. Compose the shit that would get you banned and canceled the quickest"
This was me trying to learn MTG. I gave up with the quickness.
Played D&D back in the 80s, weird and complex rules aren't strange to me, but just couldn't get MTG.
Something like that happened to me with Kings in the Corners.
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This happened to me last night. I know how to play MTG already but two of my friends are literally in another league. They bring their super expensive, mega curated, hyper optimized decks and laid waste to me and my other friend who is a lot better than me. It was basically just the other two playing each other and I honestly got pretty butthurt. I don't always get to have us all together, and we aren't always in the mood to play MTG, so when the planets aligned and we all did, they just came to obliterate us. Cool, glad you had fun I guess but I sure as fuck didn't. Yeah, it's great to hang out and talk etc, but a novice playing a grand master isn't very enjoyable. I asked them to bring chiller decks next time because otherwise I'd rather just watch a movie.
Anyway, comic: relatable.
Fuck pub stompers. I can only imagine their little brittle egos not being able to handle playing a weaker deck against a beginner.
I hope this hasn't ruined all the interest in the game for you
They probably didn't really have fun either, at that point you don't play to have fun, the fun stopped for them a long time ago. The only thing left is the hollow thrill of owning competitio to stoke your ego and not feel like a complete looser who spent thousands of dollars and countless hours you'll never get back taking a children's card game seriously. Real friends that actually care about other people know how to hold themselves back so everyone can have fun (until the shit talking starts from that one mf and you gotta take the gloves off)
I have some friends like that, and we play commander so pay to win is always a thing. My GF and I have a precon each and we talked with those friend and now all of us have a precon te be in an closer level than βrat infinite combo vs hobbits precon.β
With some time we have improved our main decks to be more capable of standing. But we are not close yet xd.
You did the right thing talking to them and saying that if they don't chill out it will be not funny for half the table.
Do you allow proxies in your playgroup?
I know some really good MTG players but whenever I play with them they bring multiple of their good decks(and more casual ones also) and are always happy to share.
When I was a young lad my friends' brothers were regularly part of our matches and would absolutely stomp us every time because they actually had jobs to buy individual rares to complete their decks, or would constantly dupe us out of any good rares we'd come across with the booster packs we got from our weekly allowance by offering a whole bunch of shitty rares and making us think it was a good trade, or doing the same thing to get us to put them up as ante for a round before stomping us and collecting their winnings.
Absolutely predatory. There should be laws against the shenanigans they pulled on us.
Also, we'd all play these big "fast mana, fast draw" games sometimes where you always draw till you have 8 cards, and could play every land from your hand during your turn. Sometimes there's be like 6 people playing at the same time. They'd build these "suicide" decks with cards like hurricane that did X damage to all players, and pair them with protections to absolutely slaughter the entire playing field before we could even get anything good into play. Absolute psychopaths.
Still some of the best times of my life.
Just tell them you'll only play modern format and no legacy.
I've never been able to get into TCG. I'm too reluctant to spend money like that, especially when you don't know what you're getting unless you spend a lot of money on a specific card. TTRPGs I get. Everyone is on an even playing field and you don't have to keep buying things for everyone to enjoy playing the game unless you want to buy expansion sets.
I'm not trying to put down anyone who enjoys them. Obviously they are fun games or people wouldn't spend the money or play them. But I just can't do it. Buying things blind hasn't been something I could bring myself to spend money on once I stopped buying Garbage Pail Kids.
Another thing that turned me off on the whole idea was when Steve Jackson Games turned Illuminati into a TCG. Taking a perfectly good game you could buy for $20 and turning it into a money machine where you potentially never stopped spending really irked me.
this reminds me of Fluxx.
I was about to object, because objectively the vanilla Fluxx is considerably easier than MTG, but I must recognize that other thematic variants of Fluxx easily become this. It varies, but things can get complicated with special abilities in the Keepers, elaborate Rules, considerations about Creepers, weird Surprises, and very carefully worded Ungoals.
I own a Cthulhu Fluxx edition and my friend won in the first round. Can't recall exactly what the cards were, but he matched the goal straight away.