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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Most of the time people are pretty cool, but when people aren't cool all the cool people need to be like "hey, that's not cool, so be cool or you need to leave" and thus the coolness is enforced.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Additionally because of game theory, a "rat" will always exploit everybody's chillness. It'd be great to not spend a cent on the military but Russia is a rat that uses this opportunity to invade its neighbors. Inevitably you will have to invest in some kind of law enforcement.

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[–] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

This guy cools

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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[–] rhacer@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Absolutely works for me that's a very anarchistic take.

[–] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You ever been in a room where one psychotic person seems to set the whole tone? That's the world without governments. Anarchy inevitably leads to misery, so let's come up with the best government we can.

[–] janAkali@lemmy.one 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I thought about this for some time. An anarchy would always collapse into governed state.

First, imagine the perfect scenario where there no authority and world is just a lot of tiny city-sized communities. It would take just a single bad actor to form a state, start invading neighboring communities and growing in power. In response - other communities would be forced to group into increasingly bigger states to have a chance to oppose influence from bigger/richer states.

This thought experiment also works if violent takeover is replaced by economic one. Think of cartels and monopolies.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Until they hit another group that is either bigger or stronger and opposed to their way of doing shit. Really no different than how shit works now. Because you certainly wouldn't be free to murder and steal and rape and enslave or whatnot even in an anarchistic society; people who don't want you doing that shit would stop you or punish you.

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[–] sarchar@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Citation needed. I think we'd be fine.

[–] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

No where on earth has anarchy, the places that have it for a few days spontaneously develop order through gangs, warlords, or the intervention of more stable societies

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-Peter Kropotkin

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Being president should be like jury duty. Everyone has to do it eventually. And it sucks just as much so everyone tries to weasel out of it.

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I've done jury duty once, my group didn't even get called into the court room so the worst part was just listening to the conversations of 50 other people bitching about how they had better things to do, such children.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

"I can't make it to D&D tonight."

"Why not? Are you afraid of the beholder fight?"

"No man, I gotta be the President."

"Aww man that sucks... Well, try not to nuke anybody, I guess."

[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (11 children)

...WHAT?! ... SAY AGAIN...?!

I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THIS POWER VACUUM!

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

In this thread: people that don't know how to be cool.

[–] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I wish people would just agree to be nicer to each other ;-;

(I got yelled at by my boss the other day, can you tell?)

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Your boss sounds like a turd! I don’t understand people who do that. I understand being frustrated, but yelling is a grade school response.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

Bill and Ted. Joni Mitchell. They knew.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

So "everybody has the nukes" and "nothing is against the law if you have a bigger gun"?

That'll be a real cool couple of minutes, bud, sure.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok. I’ll even share my snacks with you guys.

[–] thero@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You bring chips, I bring soda

[–] swab148@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I'll bring queso!

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Yeah well that sounds great, but people tend to be pretty horrible and selfish assholes rather than "just being cool." I'm not sure the President is much more than just a figurehead most of the time, but I've seen people try to start "be cool" communities that always ended up failing.

For one thing, some people wanted to do things that disrupted the sleep of others, for another thing, some people wanted to go around naked while others didn't want to see them running around naked, and some people wanted to have pot parties, whiles others found it disgusting. Eventually it all ends up withg people at each other's throats.

I think it'd be a lot easier to just be cool if people could really just be cool and not hyper-upset and offended by everything all the time.

[–] purplepuppy@links.hackliberty.org 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That is what happens when a bunch of rich kids try to play equality, while actually growing up as spoiled brats. In true egalitarian societies, which were the norm for 95% of humanities history, people live extremely equal lives where they HAVE to be nice to each other. When you have no choice but to get along with others, you have to take care of other peoples feelings or you can get kicked out of your group and left to fend for yourselves, which in nature is a death sentence. Or since there is no police, just straight up murdered by someone else.

No one is naturally nice, but when you live together with other people, you are forced to be. Unless you have rich mom and dad where you can go back to, if others aren't letting you do what they did.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm conflicted. I'm worried about sociopath taking advantage of the lack of government, but on the other hand I'm not sure it's worse than the current solution where said sociopaths are the government.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

In most systems where you can end up with no Prime Minister / President for a temporary period* the civil servants keep going. So it's not like there's no government.

* Usually it's because political parties are having trouble forming coalitions or a run off condition in countries with a history of electoral uhh ... Shenanigans.

Don't worry, it is a lot harder for sociopath to have control over people in an already free society then in a society where you can use already existing structures of control to gain more control. Never forget, that in a system with no police, anyone can kill you if you try to hurt them. Where there is no state goverment, the people are government. And people make far more effective police to actually protect themselves then these selfish fucks.

[–] Sinistar@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

There's a guy who was really into bread who wrote a whole book about this.

[–] Ascend-910@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Becuase only presidents are keeping us from all killing each other? You should read more about existing and past anarchist societies. There is always a lot (if any) violence in anarchist societies, because there are simply no incentives to do it in a place where there is no police to arrest anyone who wants to murder you if you even insult them. All violance and structures of power are very dangerous to anarchist societies so they are very strictly enforced,

[–] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At some point Belgium didnt even had a government so its completely possible

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Poland managed without an elected government for about a year. Heard it was nice.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

How do you get shit done without executive branch of the government?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's how you get a Chairman.

Once they get comfy, they're quite hard to get rid of.

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