That’s data laundering
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Why would you connect your washing machine to WiFi in the first place? Like legitimate question.
Because water is held in cloud storage
::slow clap::
Well played, friend. Well played.
To get notifications when your laundry is done.
As someone with adhd, I could see it being super helpful for me.
My dryer is as dumb as they come. It just beeps like a motherfucker until I open the door, which is pretty effective.
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Fair point, I didn't think of that. Any IoT device gets put in the "naughty" vlan and 99% of their outgoing requests goes straight to /Dev/null
I do the same thing. All they're allowed to talk to is Home Assistant except for when I allow internet access to update firmware.
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An alarm could likely help you accomplish the same thing without the wifi-connected washing machine.
Whatever works for you works for you, though.
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I have an lg machine with notifications… it’s very helpful.
We have two young kids, laundry is constant.
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So I actually have one that does.
I get notifications when laundry is done.
I get a notification when I need to do routine maintenance like change filters, or refill the detergent. (It has a built-in jug and dispenser)
I can send it settings via the app, which is easier than via the built in controls. (It has things like extra rinse, wash times for different rinses, and steaming and stuff). It's not impossible to do via the interface, but it's a bit easier via the phone.
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Joke Answer: Just ask Pied Piper about their fridges.
Non-Joke Answer:
Not personally owned washers of course:
I live in a set of apartments and we have a laundry room and the quarter slots have been removed entirely and now you have to pay for your laundry with an app and Bluetooth.
In other words, it could be fucking worse and you might not have a choice because your landlords don't give a shit about poor people (who may not have a device capable of running the app).
EDIT: The bonus? The notifications on when your laundry is done don't even work properly and are consistently wrong. I still just set a timer.
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This sounds like some kind of DDOS attack like the ones that involved connected light bulbs. Malware gets into the light bulb or washing machine and repurposes the infected device to flood targeted servers:
Obligatory meme wisdom:
https://biggaybunny.tumblr.com/post/166787080920/tech-enthusiasts-everything-in-my-house-is-wired
I have an LG washer and dryer on my IoT VLAN and funneled through a pi hole. I've been pleasantly surprised at how quiet and well behaved they are on my network. Hardly ever phone home and only connect to one or two domains. Something is seriously wrong with his dudes washer.
The most noisy devices on my network are my smart TVs. The last time I bothered to look, it wasn’t even close to comparable.
My phone is my most used device. It had something in the ballpark of 800 blocked requests in a day, after an entire day of doomscrolling and heavy use. It was the third most blocked device on my network, behind both of my smart TVs. The “better” TV had ~2400 blocked requests in that same day. The worse one had nearly 3000.
I hadn’t even used my TVs that day.
some software keeps resending requests when they don't go through, so if you didn't block them, the number could've been much, much lower.
of course it's stupid and fuck that, but still.
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Smart devices are great, but if it's not Zigbee or Zwave and Home Assistant, it can fuck off.
I like my devices to be dumb but be able to function without internet.
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That's a pretty silly headline for an article that quite clearly states that the issue was with the router's data usage reporting capabilities.
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I don't understand the craze of slapping wifi or bluetooth connectivity to everything without giving proper thought. Cameras, television, vehicles, coffee pots, medical devices, laundry machines, hipster juicers... what's next? Is my salt shaker going to have it?
That's a great idea! You can check your salt levels while at work or on vacation. You could even have your salt shaker automatically order more salt from Amazon when the level got too low. Or how about you program your maximum daily salt intake so it closes up when it's reached.
So much potential!
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Just wait. Pretty soon everything will have AI. Google Meals will deliver based on what your Nest Toilet tells it about your iPoo.
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I've been looking for a breast pump recently - I'd like electric so I don't have to manually pump. All of the ones I could find in the shop required an app to connect to the device. Why? What purpose does that serve me? I'd have to make an account, accept needless permissions and cookies and give them access to very personal data about my boobs and milk production - I went with a manual one instead
Any device that requires an app to function is an immediate deal breaker for me. Same for most things that require "the cloud" to work. Garage door openers, doorbell or other cameras, cooking appliances, door locks, cars, even a basic pedometer to name a few. All of these things will only work temporarily until the company decides it's end of life for any reason.
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It's possible that it had some vulnerability which was automatically exploited by one of her majesty's secret services (perhaps with help from their US counterparts) to make it a component of their covert infrastructure.
Sounds outlandish, but
Or quite simply, hackers scanning for unsecured devices that access the internet and using them to do shit.
Listen to Darknet Diaries -> Start fearing everything
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Do not buy BS internet connected devices period. There was a time when internet connected devices did exactly they were supposed to do and nothing more. There is literally no reason why most of these devices can't act as their own server and keep your data local and private. Corporations have become far too greedy to trust their cloud won't sell you out in every way it can. The ONLY two reasons a manufacturer adds internet connectivity are:
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To monitor and collect as much data as possible and/or:
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To implement a subscription service for something that normally wouldn't require monthly payments.
Corporate closed clouds have proven time and time again that they can't be trusted.
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My heat pump can be controlled by an app but it all goes through an external web page for some reason so I noped out of it.
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I’m curious what information a wash machine is sending could be useful to anyone?
4gb is definitely a bug ... imagine getting 4gb per data per customer per day ..
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It's likely been hacked by someone who guessed the default login details (when was the last time you changed the password on your washing machine), and is being used for malicious purposes such as DDoS attacks.
Hooray for IoT! The worst thing to happen to network security since... ever
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Would be funny as fuck if they were using these devices as Bitcoin miners.
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For now, it looks like the favored answer to the data mystery is to blame Asus for misreporting it. We may never know what happened with Johnie, who is now running his LG washing machine offline.
Another relatively innocent reason for the supposed high volume of uploads could be an error in the Asus router firmware. In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool.” Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their apps. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.
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It only would be a big problem if household devices like washing machines are built in a way that makes a connection to the internet mandatory in order to function properly. Imagine you can't do your laundry because of an internet outage.
Name any household device (washing machine, dishwasher, dryer, toaster, water kettle, iron, coffee maker, (microwave) oven, ...) that has been improved in functionality by connecting it to the internet, making it a internet-of-things-device. I can't think of any.
We have a washing machine that cannot be connected to the internet. After starting the program, we set up a timer on our smartphone, 15 minutes longer than the time the washing machine display is predicting. Works like a charm.
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If you bought a washing machine that needs Internet access you are a fucking idiot.
They don't need wifi, so no, you're not an idiot if you buy one and just leave it disconnected
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It’s an older meme sir, but it checks out.
Bloatware has spiraled out of control. It's a consequence of coding becoming easy and accessible. Programming is no longer the domain of idealistic nerds. It is possible for anyone to make garbage tech wares.
Wait, wait, wait. Let's not aim at the wrong thing. Programming becoming accessible is a great, and is not the cause of bloat. Bloat is not even something that can be easily pointed to a single cause, and a lot of things played a role, like poor tech education, companies not giving a fuck and relying on hardware replacement, lack of regulations, big tech corporations having practically monopolies and no incentive to create better products, the high demands of timing for projects, etc.
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You mean 3.7kg of load right?
Right? ...
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