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[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 190 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I never understood how they were useful in the first place. But that's kind of beside the point. I assume this is referencing AI, but due to the fact that you've only posted one photo out of apparently four, I don't really have any idea what you're posting about.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 236 points 8 months ago (10 children)

The point of verification photos is to ensure that nsfw subreddits are only posting with consent. Many posts were just random nudes someone found, in which the subject was not ok with having them posted.

The verification photos show an intention to upload to the sub. A former partner wanting to upload revenge porn would not have access to a verification photo. They often require the paper be crumpled to make it infeasible to photoshop.

If an AI can generate a photorealistic verification picture, it cannot be used to verify anything.

[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I didn't realize they originated with verifying nsfw content. I'd only ever seen them in otherwise text-based contexts. It seemed to me the person in the photo didn't necessarily represent the account owner just because they were holding up a piece of paper showing the username. But if you're matching the verification against other photos, that makes more sense.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 66 points 8 months ago

It's been used way before the nsfw stuff and the advent of AI.

Back in the days if you were doing an AMA with a celeb, the picture proof is the celeb telling us this is the account they are using. Doesn't need to be their account and was only useful for people with an identifiable face. If you were doing an AMA because you were some specialist or professional, giving your face and username doesn't do anything, you need to provide paperwork to the mods.

This is a poor way to police fake nudes though, I wouldn't have trusted it even before AI.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 29 points 8 months ago (10 children)

Was it really that hard to Photoshop enough to bypass mods that are not experts at photo forensic?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 51 points 8 months ago

Probably not, but it would still reduce the amount considerably.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's mostly about filtering the low-hanging fruit, aka the low effort trolls, repost bots, and random idiots posting revenge porn.

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[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I think it takes a considerable amount of work to photoshop something written on a sheet of paper that has been crumpled up and flattened back out.

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I found this singular screenshot floating around elsewhere, but yes r/stablediffusion is for AI images.

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 145 points 8 months ago (7 children)
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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 118 points 8 months ago (15 children)

Due to having so many people trying to impersonate me on the internet, I've become somewhat of a expert on verification pictures.

You can still easily tell that this is fake because if you look closely, the details, especially the background clutter, is utterly nonsensical.

  1. The object over her right shoulder (your left), for example, looks like if someone blended a webcam with a TV with a nightstand.
  2. Over her left shoulder (your right), her chair is only on that one side and it blends into the counter in the background.
  3. Is it a table lamp or a wall mounted light?
  4. The doorframe in background behind her head is not even aligned.
  5. Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.
  6. Her wispy hairstrands. Real hair don't appear out of thin air in loops.
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 38 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The point isn't that you can spot it.

The point is that the automated system can't spot it.

Or are you telling me there is a person looking at every verification photo, and if they did they would thoroughly scan the photo for imperfections?

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

The idea of using a picture upload for automated verification is completely unviable. A much more commonly used system would be something like telling you to perform a random gesture on camera on the spot, like "turn your head slowly" or "open your mouth slowly" which would be trivial for a human to perform but near impossible for AI generators.

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[–] Aganim@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Her clavicles are asymmetrical, never seen that on a real person.

Shit, are you telling me that every time I see myself in the mirror I'm actually looking at a string of AI generated images, generated in real-time? The matrix is real. 😱

Yes, my clavicles are actually very asymmetric. ☹️

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Due to so many people trying to impersonate me on the Internet

Yeah see, now I am not really sure if you're the real Margot Robbie.

Could you send me a verification picture?

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[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm not seeing the levitating hair

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[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 114 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I’m pretty sure we can just switch to a verification video chat which will buy us a year.

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 89 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

At some point the only way to verify someone will be to do what the Klingons did to rule out changelings: Cut them and see if they bleed.

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, companies like 23andMe and Ancestry have been banking DNA records, so mimicking blood won't be too hard, either.

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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Can confirm, I made some random korean dude on dall-e to send to Instagram after it threatened to close my fake account, and it passed.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 74 points 8 months ago (11 children)

This actually gives me an idea. I've often wished I could share photos of myself on social media incidentally, to show things that I'm doing or making or whatever. But I don't want to show my face.

I could use this to make a version of my face that's close but not actually recognizable to anyone who knows me, and then patch that into the photos I want to post.

[–] UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT@sh.itjust.works 59 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ooooh an actually interesting use of ai: preserving anonymity

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Y'all just trying to recreate the idea of digital avatars in here

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[–] ThePinkUnicorn@lemdro.id 17 points 8 months ago

There are projects that already exist with this sort of purpose, one I came across a while ago was Deep Privacy which uses deepfakes to replace your face and body in an image with one that is AI generated.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is making me think of A Scanner Darkly. Check out the movie if you haven’t .

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Once again everyone on the internet is a cute girl if they want to be.

Or a cute cat.

Or Elvis.

[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And then there is me. I'm all of the above.

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[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What am I looking at here?

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[–] wick@lemm.ee 39 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I can finally realise my dream of commenting on r/blackpeopletwitter

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Very rapidly the basis of truth in any discussion is going to get eroded.

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[–] shasta@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago

They were always useless

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Isn't there a trick where you can ask someone to do a specific hand gesture to get photos verified. That'll still work especially because AI makes fingers look wonky

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 64 points 8 months ago (14 children)

AI has been able to do fingers for months now. It's moving very rapidly so it's hard to keep up. It doesn't do them perfectly 100% of the time, but that doesn't matter since you can just regenerate it until it gets it right.

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[–] IgnatiusJReilly@lemmy.wtf 24 points 8 months ago

"Can you hold up 7 fingers in front of the camera?"

Photo with one hand up

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago (5 children)

That’s why you need a video with movement. AI still can’t do video right.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's getting close, now you can provide a picture of someone and an animated skeleton, and it outputs the person moving according to the reference.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Where do I get an animated skeleton?

Home Depot sells them around October

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

My discord friends had some easy ways to defeat this.

You could require multiple photos; it's pretty hard to get AI to consistently generate photos that are 100% perfect. There would bound to be things wrong with trying to get AI to generate multiple photos of the same (non-celeb) person that would make it obvious it's fake.

Another idea was to make it a short video instead of a still photo. For now, at least, AI absolutely sucks balls at making video.

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[–] GTKashi@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Never trust your eyes or ears again in this modern digital hellscape! https://youtube.com/shorts/55hr7Tx_7So?si=db5hROJWYjdQRMTD

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[–] Willer@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (3 children)

AI pictures are like reverse uncanny-valley: They feel right, but you will shit brix upon further inspection.

I like saying they run on "dream logic"

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