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[–] eporetsky@lemmy.world 62 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I tried, but failed, to find the poll Loewenstein referred to when he was quoted saying: “There was a poll just this week that found 70-80 percent of Israeli Jews support...", regarding what the title claims. Please share if you have it, I find it hard to believe this poll exists.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

This is the only thing I could find

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/gaza/poll-83-of-israelis-support-voluntary-emigration-from-gaza/2023/12/24/

The Direct Polls survey that was published last Thursday (Direct Polls: Gantz and Bibi Neck-and-Neck, Smotrich Beats the Threshold) included the question: “To what degree do you support encouraging the voluntary emigration of Gaza Strip residents?”

The response of 1,487 adults (18+) who are a representative sample of the general population in Israel, with a statistical sampling error of ± 3.9%, at a 95% probability, was overwhelmingly in favor of the idea.

68% support it strongly

15% are quite supportive

8% don’t really support it

9% don’t support it at all

[–] eporetsky@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Thanks! Seems close enough. I would still take anything coming out of Channel 14 with a grain of salt. It is considered to be Bibi's propoganda channel 🤷

[–] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Did you realize that "support" appears in each response ?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Are you aware of the meaning of the word "not"?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The other part that makes no sense:

"finding somewhere else for Palestinians in Gaza to be removed. Israel claims that this is somehow voluntary, which is nonsense."

Where should they be removed? How do you expect them to get there when the borders for Gaza are closed?

Feels like we've seen this movie before...

https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/trail-of-tears

https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/bataan-death-march

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Where should they be removed?

That's a tough problem. Maybe concentrate them in camps until they've found a final solution.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Describing Gaza and the West Bank as reservations really helps Americans understand what Israel is doing.

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Seems like Al Jazeera should have cited it since they published the story but I cannot find it either.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In other news, majority of Palestinians support the removal of Israeli settlers from the West Bank.

Maybe they could work out a swap?

But first, Hamas must be destroyed, and Hamas's supporter Netanyahu prosecuted.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Wtf are you talking about, there is no swap to be made. Both Gaza and the entirety of the West Bank belong to Palestinians. There is plenty of land in Israel proper. The settlers should just GTFO.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Settlers Aka occupiers.

Amazing no one stop to ask where these "settlers" come from?

[–] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Europe, and since they're so intent on genociding the native population like the other europeans who colonised the U.S, Canada, Australia and New Zealand did, it is time they go back home (Deutschland especially)

Remember there's always a place for Jews in Europe and the rest of the developed world, not so much for palestinians and other brown ppl.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago

Are you claiming that the last few decades we have seen the kind of Anti-semitism of the beginning of the 20th century that would justify a program of mass settlement of Jewish people on land outside Israel? Because that is a ridiculous thing to say.

There is no mass scale anti-semitism. Israel is not the safest place for Jews (north america is). Palestinian land is not needed for Jewish settlement, Israel proper has plenty plenty of land, enough to be proposing land swaps every now and then.

Israeli settlements are entirely indefensible and entirely a crime.

[–] t0m5k1@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is an ideology. Even Israel recently stated this and said you can't stop an ideology. This dovetails perfectly into the sentiment of this article. Both together, plus idf actions show genocide is really what they want.

[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We can't stop an ideology, but we can destroy governments based on an obnoxious ideology. And that is progress, obviously. Japanese Militarism, Soviet Communism, Nazi Fascism, Italian Fascism, Spanish Fascism... all still around as fringe ideologies, but I'm sure most of us are happy that governments that held these ideologies fell. Israel obviously is trying to destroy the current Hamas government in Gaza, not kill all of the residents.

[–] t0m5k1@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

When the ratio of civilian death to hamas death is far greater, you need to realise something is fundamentally wrong with the actions of the idf.

Additionally, reports of Jewish attacks on Palestinians are up too, which was high even prior to the war.

All that will happen is more people will join the cause to fight against the occupation of Palestine.

You all want to see an end to attacks you saw prior to the war, but you need to realise all that will happen is more hostility due to the wanton destruction of their home.

The leaders the idf seek are in Qatar, but they already knew this, which is why for weeks, the world was told this is a war against hamas the ideology they now state can't be destroyed!

Seems like to me that here we have the same thing that USA did with the wmd excuse.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, because they are genocidal lunatics.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"Removal", how exactly? Because doing it with bombs isn't very efficient so far. Are they looking into a final solution already? Fucking embarrassing...

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Well, you know how Nazi Germany dealt with their 'Jewish Problem'?

Israel is currently dealing with their 'Palestinian Problem'.

Zionists are Nazis.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 8 months ago

You bomb the infrastructure until the whole area is unlivable, then you graciously allow them to cross the border into Egypt. Textbook ethnic cleansing.

[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

The majority are brainwashed like in every country that is doing bad shit America included. The woke are few and far between. Most are eat the status quo and keep on trucking types. They will eat shit til they die and not care.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

ha, is this a 'no shit' article or what. your 'country' is currently steamrolling over the entire area, razing it to the ground.

ya think??

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

Wonder if any of these Israelis will feel shame in 20 years after all this negative energy dies down.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

This war should end with a Palestinian corridor the ensure connection between west Bank and Gaza

[–] IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

Big ups to Israel for proving all the antisemites correct. Way to go, dumbasses.

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, but I just don’t trust polls anymore. They never really get a representation of the public as a whole and instead end up talking with the only interested parties: bored conservative old people.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 months ago

That's probably true, but that's also the large majority of voters often so it can still represent something.