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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 243 points 9 months ago (34 children)

There's a war going on right now in Ukraine, helping them win it will make Russia launching a next war less likely and further off.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 121 points 9 months ago

This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Russia is clearly threatening the stability of the EU right now. If the EU wants to send a strong signal against aggression and meddling, it needs support Ukraine in a way that makes it clear to any would-be-adversary, that the EU is willing and capable to defend itself and its allies.

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[–] thorcik@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.'

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[–] M137@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Why has every comment here been downvoted?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russia troll farms I imagine.

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 65 points 9 months ago

We're big enough that troll farms think we're relevant! We did it, Lemmy!

[–] alucard@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago

The comments don’t feel like people that are interested in a good faith discussion with a dash of troll

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[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago (5 children)

My history teacher used to say that over the course of history every generation faces a full scale war that directly impact them. Looking through the last couple of centuries that seems about right. I haven't been in a war yet and I'm a45 years old so, yeah, I'm kinda scared.

This same teacher also used to say that the only "good" thing about a civil war is that the country that faces it nerves goes through another one ever again. Seeing how things are good in the United States now I'm starting to think that this teacher might be wrong.

[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 33 points 9 months ago

Yeah, your teacher seemed to deal in absolutes: "it always happens" or "it will never happen again". I think that events can always happen (again) but they don't have to.

[–] BenadrylChunderHatch@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of countries have had multiple civil wars.

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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This reminds me of how WWI was at one point known as 'the war to end all wars'.

How fucking naive were the people who really thought that!

[–] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

they were hopeful...

[–] jasondj@ttrpg.network 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We were in a weird spot after the Industrial Revolution but before globalism.

Post WWII recovery changed that, when most of the developed world (sans America) was literally in shambles.

I don’t think we’ll ever see another full out war between major powers. Capitalism and the all-mighty dollar will prevent that. But at the same time it will encourage proxy wars.

Scarcity is a concern but again mostly for the smaller powers. More than likely it’ll be some sort of indebtedness between impoverished countries and their pimp nations backing them out of the proxy wars they created.

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Suoko@feddit.it 11 points 9 months ago

The usual money flow. What future generation will be able to stop these should-be-retired chiefs?

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (5 children)

And into the apocalypse we go

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[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Oh no not again

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Why Berlin? Why?

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago
[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Knowing germany, this sounds like a threat

[–] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's an internal message. The German government just had 60 billion of their planned budget yanked away by a Supreme Court ruling. (They had planned to reroute unused money set aside for covid measures to the general budget. The court denied this, because our constitutional debt ceiling can only be ignored in an emergency, not for general spending)

Now every department is facing harsh budget cuts and every minister tries to argue why the cuts shouldn't hit their department.
Pistorius is saying "if you cut my budget, you might as well start learning to speak Russian".

[–] Suoko@feddit.it 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Russian army is a joke if you look at their technology. I'd say it stinks like old mentality

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