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Chinese Carmaker Overtakes Tesla as World’s Most Popular EV Maker::Elon Musk once scoffed at the notion that BYD could compete with his company. Now, the automaker run by billionaire Wang Chuanfu is poised to be the new No. 1 in electric vehicles.

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[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 89 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The fact that the headline says "Chinese Carmaker" and not "BYD" says a lot about their international market share.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be honest, I think it more tells you the article was written by an American for an American audience.

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Poorly. Just add the name after Chinese Car maker.

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[–] thejml@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m not sure if it’s that or clickbait to get you to find out who it is. That kinda crap has been rampant lately.

Could be both though honestly. Either way, I’m sick of it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I agree with that, I guess it could have been added after the original headline, maybe putting it in parenthesis.

[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Also says a lot that despite that they still make more. Having more global sales in effectively one country is more impressive if anything.

[–] CertifiedBlackGuy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Eh, it's diminished when that one country holds nearly 17% of earth's entire population, or nearly as much as the next 6 countries by population combined.

When you have that much market, nearly anything you do will break population-based records.

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[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

The headline also says overtakes, while it says "poised to be" in the text.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

It says a lot about that "journalist" knowledge of the topic

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

To be fair they are just now entering the US market

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Huge in Europe and Australia for sure

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 57 points 10 months ago (4 children)

oh look, someone doing ev that can actually make vehicles, and theyve eclipsed tesla... no wayy..

no one could have predicted this except, ya know, everyone.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And yet so many people are stuck in the pyramid scheme that is Tesla's stock.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And those who have ETFs or index funds that track the S&P 500 also have Tesla stock as a hot trash albatross to deal with.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

You leave the majestic albatross out of this.

[–] Hazen@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

Everyone hates on Tesla for obvious CEO reasons , but Tesla still has great cars. I test drove every electric car manufacturer and model available in central Florida throughout 2021/2022. The model y is by far the best in nearly every aspect. Nothing comes close.

My model y had one panel issue. They gave me a loaner car, it was fixed in 2 days. I haven't had any issues since. I drove it from Orlando, Florida to Toronto,CA and back without issue. It calculates where and how long to charge to continue your trip.

Again, everyone gives it shit but the "self-driving" is 10/10 on the highway ( 7/10 on local roads). It's not fancy lane assist and you'd have to be literally sleeping at the wheel to crash while it's engaged. It made driving there and back a breeze.

Best car I've driven so far. Hands down.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Data and consumer reporting consistently rank Tesla as one of, and frequently THE, most unreliable car company by the numbers as far as quality control. It has nothing to do with Musk hate. The company is infamous for ex-managers confessing that they were told to ship them with the defects because most people didn't bother to have them fixed.

You "only" had a panel issue that required multiday service. That's not supposed to happen with brand new cars.

I'm glad you enjoy the car and driving it though, I bet they are great when they're at their best. Apparently, the China-based ones are fine very well. But it's okay to criticize things that should be criticized.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

My Renault Megane E-Tech has much nicer interior and better build quality in general than the Tesla Y.

But charging times on the Tesla are really awesomely good

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Man, Tesla is known for their very poor quality these days as well.

I recall 6-7 years ago I had a family member complain about their tesla breaking down. Today, we know this is pretty standard for all of them. We've also all seen how trashy the build quality is outside the electronics as well.

So... Even if these are trashy quality, are they really much worse than Tesla? I look forward to hearing more. I hope this shames Western companies into catching up, the fucking idiots.

[–] jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 31 points 10 months ago (21 children)

I don't wanna be that guy, but BYD are not only garbage tofu cars, they are also HEAVILY subsidized by the CCP in an effort to dump on the competition.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You can be that guy all you want, those garbage tofu cars are still dominating the market.

[–] jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 10 months ago

I know they are dominating the market. But I'm explaining why they are. It's NOT because they make superior cars Each car is sold at a loss with the funding/backing of the China government with the sole purpose to dump(kill domestic competition).

Amazon prime sorta did this on a micro scale. Dump their pricing to kill Barnes and Noble and after they go out of business, they open and replace them with their own stores. But instead of Amazon funding the dump, it's the god damn CCP and our entire auto industry.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

Dominating which market though? China is heavily subsidizing these cars like they do with a lot of new tech when they want to undercut non-Chinese companies. I guarantee if any other manufacturer had similar subsidies, the situation would be different.

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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Predicted for this quarter. Musk has been scoffing the idea, whilst watching them catch him and simultaneously shooting himself in the foot with his own plans.

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Meh, the US will slap enough tariffs on these things to make their own Autoindustry competitive again.

So will the EU.

But china has a gigantic middle-class that can afford these things, so I hope they all switch to EV en masse.. it's a win for the planet!

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Tariff slapping had been tried by Trump. Very poor outcomes. There will be a more moderated approach, but we will need to see how that pans out

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[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am shocked that a Chinese company with access to materials is selling heavily subsided EVs. Shocked! Meanwhile in the US, nobody can make them in quantity and when they do Americans don't want them. Shocked!

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

But it wouldn't hurt if US could massively subsidize it's own cheap EV options

[–] filister@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And still their shares are just a fraction of Tesla's share price.

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Company is beholden to the Chinese government, apparently that is worse than beholden to a manchid and a group of ultrarich shareholders.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Rather ironically, BYD is probably closer to the "value investing" (realistic) value than most hyper-inflated western stocks, which completely decoupled from reality a long time ago...

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[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

BYD is available in most of the world, the story linked beneath is about a newer model ATTO, but Dolphin is probably even more popular: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/11/27/byd-atto-3-now-available-in-50-countries-neta-auto-enters-central-south-america/
This is an overview of their global presence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Auto#Global_expansion

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