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New Califorina Reich vs 2nd Confederacy

I very much agree with this. The real concern people who care about the current system in US should have is with the precedent being set here. It's very obviously a political prosecution and liberals being the smooth brains that they are keep cheering this on. What they don't seem to realize is that once the precedent is set, then this will be how politics are done going forward. They're forging the tools that the future fascist government will use to jail all its opposition.

These idiots have infantile understanding of how fascists take over a country. They think it's going to be a spectacle like Jan 6 where armed mobs overthrow the government. The reality is that fascists will simply take over the existing state machinery. All the police militarization, surveillance laws, and so on are what's actually setting up the stage for open fascism.

I agree with many points in here or don't disagree enough to really respond.

However, I will say about the "insurrection" stuff: did Trump orchestrate it? Depends on what that means to you, I guess.

To me, a sitting president spent 2 months-ish crying because he lost, refused to just say that he lost, and then tweeted "everyone! I have evidence! Come to the Capitol Jan 6th! It'll be wild!" (Paraphrasing there obviously). And (further paraphrasing) had his henchmen and kid give speeches followed by himself which boiled down to "we're gonna go to the Capitol building...and convince them to not certify this election. wink wink"

So he purposely and clearly spent months after and years before the election laying the ground, prepping his base (and Republicans had done this for 40+ years waaaaaay prior to Trump. They've been whining about election stealing back to Kennedy, LBJ, etc. (some legitimate, some not. Also they did the same shit anyway).

Then he gave them a specific event which he manufactured basically and pretended it mattered beyond ceremony (the actual stuff on Jan 6 is literally just ceremony. All the locking-in has been done by that point. As Pence correctly has said, it didn't matter what he did/didnt do that day (from a purely legal outlook)).

And on the day he planned he gave a speech basically like "go MAKE them listen." Did he say directly "go kill Nancy!"? No. But did he need to? Does a mafia boss have to say directly "kill whoever" or can it be reasonably assumed at a certain point that they're saying certain things, doing certain things, etc. with a clear agenda towards encouraging an outcome?

I mean, look. I don't actually care about congress, the Capitol, their ceremonies, etc. We all know this is a farce and has been for quite some time... it isn't a democracy it's just a capitalist-controlled hellscape. But I'm also not gonna pretend Trump didn't sick his hordes of most brainbroken, most fanatic supporters on congress to harass them. Do I think he expected them to actually break in and accomplish anything (killing members, specifically)? No. But he knew what he was doing.

I think the event itself is overhyped, but, be definitely did that shit. What I find more concerning is the stuff like threatening officials in GA (a perfect phone call folks!). Again, liberal democracy blah blah blah, but if we're playing the game, and we all are because we are stuck in it, he definitely was going far beyond any acceptable practices there and his party leaders should've barred him from office. Can't have a shitty liberal democracy if one party is just clearly ignoring the law, telling a state official to "find votes," etc.

I know this will absolutely never happen, but every time I hear Trump speaking on legitimate problems, I'm like "GODDAMNIT man! Can he drop the Nazi bullshit and just do... good stuff? He wants us to like him. Just do good shit!" Obviously that's pure fantasy, but it's absolutely frustrating sometimes hearing him speak, how he can read a room, and then seeing him pivot directly into the same neoliberal bullshit as everyone else.

that Trump tried to rig the election,

Let's be fair here, he did basically ask Republican governors to fuck with election results in their states

although they might also wait until after primary season just to see how it plays out a bit, first.

They're so used to doing these things in other countries that they will try it themselves?

Let me grab some popcorn.

Yeah, any conflict between the two would need the army to split, and I don't know enough about how factionalised the US military is to know whether that's likely to happen.

Literally what the Northerners thought in the first civil war too.

History doesn’t repeat, but it sure does rhyme.