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So here's a question, what happens when a bunch of democrat states take Trump off the ballot, and a bunch of republican states take Biden off. Can an election even go forward at that point? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 9 months ago by yogthos@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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Colorado supreme court ruled that they can take Trump off the ballot, now it looks like California is trying to do that as well. Meanwhile, republican states are threatening to retaliate in kind.

This seems unprecedented for US, does anybody know what happens in this scenario?

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[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Republicans can’t retaliate in kind because they have no precedent or legal backing to do so.

They don't have the legal backing to do a lot of things they already do so I don't see how that will stop anything.

Plus they can just decide to give all the electoral votes to Trump regardless of the vote total which would accomplish much the same thing while being entirely constitutional.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, but attempt to explain that to the feds. Republicans love to do things without precedent, but the second it actually threatens the republic in any meaningful way without the go ahead of the ruling class and bourgeoisie… I’m sure they would be thrilled that republicans are ruining the veil of American “democracy” by acting like children.

Further, giving all the electoral votes to Trump would mean nothing. Congress still has to certify the votes for this exact reason. It is a ceremonial gesture, but during which congress would simply throw out those votes and render them useless.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

but the second it actually threatens the republic in any meaningful way without the go ahead of the ruling class and bourgeoisie…

You will recall that they did actually decide to start a civil war they couldn’t win when they saw that it was impossible for them to win the presidency.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nearly 200 years ago, and a very small subsection of slave owning agricultural bourgeoisie that found their ownership of the means of production threatened. The northern capitalists were more then pissed at what the south attempted.

There is no such precedent this time around. The bourgeoisie are united in their ideals and goals.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The resource-extractive petite bourgeoisie has a major problem with the national bourgeoisie that’s getting even richer by outsourcing everything to China. This is why there’s such a major contradiction between the liberals and fascists in the USA, why 1/6 happened, and why liberals and fascists view each other as illegitimate brainwashed playthings of foreign powers. I think the petite bourgeoisie and their labor aristocrat hangers-on are approaching a point where war is becoming their only option. In such a scenario, we wouldn’t just be dealing with the chud dipshits in the countryside with five hundred guns in their basements. We’d also have to deal with elements in the military who are at this moment wondering if they’re going to have to do a coup.