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Similar case in point: "bimonthly" means "twice a month." That makes sense.

But the definition for "bi-weekly" does not make sense.

What do you think?

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[–] incompetentboob@lemmy.world 92 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It means both, twice a week and every two weeks. It's confusing but what part of english isnt?

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[–] neidu@feddit.nl 62 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I'm wondering the same thing about Bible. Does it mean twice per Ble or every other Ble?

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Two bles.

The old and new testament together are two, thus "Bible".

Before the new testament they just carried around a ble.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I know you're making a joke, but on the off chance someone thinks you might be onto something: it's from biblio, or book.

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[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 60 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I was taught that the "bi" prefix was a multiplier and "semi" was a divider.

That meant biweekly, bimonthly, biannually were every 2 weeks, months, years and semi-weekly, semi-monthly, semi-annually were every half a week, half a month, and half a year.

Then the real world intruded and I've been confused ever since. About the only time I hear "semi" and "bi" used on a regular basis the way I expect is with pay periods. Biweekly is every two weeks and semi-monthly is twice a month.

Canada, by the way.

PS: I suppose bisexual and semi trailers also fit my expectations.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm on your side. Your rule makes sense, and what other people are doing doesn't make sense.

Stick to your rule and tell everyone else they're wrong.

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[–] pythonoob@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I never heard that semi meant 1/2. I've always thought of semi as rather vague tbh. Meaning that there is no set amount of time between things.

[–] nybble41@programming.dev 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

bi- means two, as in bicycle: two wheels (circles)

semi- means half, as in semicircle: half of a circle

The problem is that the prefixes can be parsed as affecting either duration/interval as in (bi-week)ly, every two weeks, or frequency as in bi-(weekly), two times weekly. The same applies to semi-.

Personally I find the frequency interpretation a bit of a stretchβ€”"two" is not the same as "two times" or "twice"β€”so I would tend to read e.g. bimonthly as every two months rather than twice each month.

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[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 42 points 9 months ago (6 children)

It means both. Welcome to English.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bi-weekly means twice a week and every two weeks. Look it up in the dictionary of you choosing.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We should all agree it means twice a week. As we already have fortnightly to mean every two weeks.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But what about fourthnightly

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

It's because of British English, and the fact that American English seems to have dropped a word which is caused confusion.

Bi-weekly means two times a week.

Fortnightly means every 2 weeks. But American English seems to have lost the word fortnightly, so there is this ambiguity now.

[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (11 children)

thanks for the explanation, as an Australian reading this I had no idea what was going on cause bi-weekly means bi-weekly here and fortnight is every two weeks.

Til Americans don't have fortnights...

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It can be either, actually. Yes, it's stupid.

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[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 17 points 9 months ago (8 children)

this is TIL, for me. "fortnightly" almost always solves it.

I always think the rule was "bi-" for "two" like bicycles VS semicycles.

dictionary people say it is up to the sayer to avoid confusion.

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The real answer is to solve this by using different terms. For instance, "twice per week" or "every other week".

Don't try to get anyone to agree on a definition, it's just begging for problems.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bi means 2. Bi weekly means 2 weeks.

Semi means half. Semi weekly means every half week or twice per week.

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Semi weekly sounds like it means every two weeks

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

There was often much confusion about this in the past because as you said it can mean multiple things. We seem to have gone away from any proper etymological use of the word 'bi' and have defined (for the most part) biweekly to be every two weeks, bimonthly to be twice a month, biannually to be twice a year (that one maybe not). Legal documents that I see don't use those terms to avoid confusion.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Frustratingly, "biannual" can also mean twice a year or every two years. Fortunately there is the "biennial" which unambiguously means every two years.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I prefer to use "semiweekly" for twice in a week, and so on for other periods.

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Use it in a sentence:

I used to get hard every day, but now I'm lucky to get a semiweekly

[–] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Please start a word of the day series

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[–] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Lmao I'd interpret that as every two weeks. Semi meaning "almost", so "semiweekly" would mean almost weekly, hence, every two weeks. I guess you could think "almost" the other way but I feel like semi is usually used in a way that is "quite but not as good", twice a week would be more than once a week so I semi would have to be every two weeks in my mind.

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[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Wait, so bi-weekly and bi-monthly mean almost the same thing (every 14/15 days)? That's insanity!

[–] vanquesse@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 4 points 9 months ago

And there's also a fortnight.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Bi-weekly means twice a week, and bi-monthly (Which outside of banking I've never heard anyone ever use) means every 2 weeks.

So if I do something bi-weekly then in a month I've done it eight times. If I do something bi-monthly then in a month I've done it two times.

English is stupid. Even native speakers don't understand it.

Interestingly enough my spell check refuses to even acknowledge that bi-monthly is a valid word. It's fine with bi-weekly though. So it's entirely possible there is actually no such word and it's just been created by the banking industry to get around the fact that for some reason they can't use fortnight.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

An old word that fell out of use to describe a two-week period is "fortnight."

It should make a come back, but I fear the current generations would always misspell it for... reasons.

[–] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 16 points 9 months ago

Fortnight is in routine usage in the UK.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

Old word?

Only in America, surely. Fortnightly is as common as weekly in most other English-speaking nations

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Oh, I didn't get the memo, I used fortnight/ly all the time

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

Very commonly used in Australia.

[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the conflict is between invisibly different sub-word groupings. I think of them as "(biweek)ly" = "happens every biweek" = "happens every two weeks, vs. "Bi(weekly)" = "happens twice as much as weekly" = "happens two times every week".

That doesn't really help the ambiguity, so I prefer other ways of describing the recurrent timing of events when there isn't anything obviously disambiguating them - for example, if I create a digital calendar event and name it "biweekly event", the existence/nonexistence of repeated calendar events makes it obvious what is meant.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Bi-semi weekly when I want to be absolutely emphatic that I mean a week.

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[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fortnightly means every two weeks. Bi weekly means twice a week.

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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The word for "biweekly" you are looking for is "semi-weekly".

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[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

In Australia it means twice a week, we say fortnightly (fourteen-nights) for 2 weeks.

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