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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 79 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Important to understand that there's also a form of civil war going on within the Church in the US between the more liberal churches, which this pastor represents, and the conservative, evangelical churches, which Mike Johnson represents.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can confirm.

In my town, a lot of the churches are more about peace and love and helping the community. They fly lgbtq+ flags. Their biggest outdoor events involve feeding homeless, or cleaning the parks.

They absolutely hate these mega church types, and often get lumped into the shit.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That sounds a lot more Christ-like (feed the hungry, give as much as you can to the poor etc) than whatever mutation the evangelicals are worshipping.

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[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's a church near me that flies a pride flag. Now, I'm not Christian (or LGBTQ) so I wouldn't go to pray there, but I was happy to see it. Too many places of worship make the news for how hateful they are. It's nice to see one advertising how inclusive they are.

Again, I'm not Christian and thus not an expert on Jesus, but from what I know his message was a pretty good one. Help the poor, the sick, and anyone else who needs assistance. If more churches actually followed Jesus instead of screaming that the Bible says you should buy more guns, assault immigrants, hate people different from you, and worship Trump while giving the pastor as much money as possible, then maybe they would be in better shape.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Important to note that the sides are in like a 5:1 ratio and Johnson is on the larger side.

Also the liberal churches are far older and are shrinking; denominations and mega-churches who act like Johnson's are growing.

Young people see it all as a bunch of bs, except the radical ones, which drives religion to greater and greater insanity.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

It's also a simple matter of funding.

The megachurches preaching prosperity gospel, cramming 10,000 people into a building, and hoarding their wealth (most don't pay apportionments to a larger denomination that is used to fund service projects) find it easier to keep the doors open than the little churches that focus on compassion and community service.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Righteous Gemstones vibes

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

So if theres a break between the churches... again. How long till we get some christian anarchist type beheading random pastors or some other John Brown type shit.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

The divide falls between small churches that help their community, and large churches that help themselves...

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The Devil having found no traction with drug addicts, thieves & prostitutes, and perl programmers has decided to use Christian leaders.

It would be believable if the first groups didn't entirely compose last one.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 36 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I agree that the devil would go after perl programmers, as sloth is a sin.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And that Pontius Pilate wrote only in Lingua::Romana::Perligata

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

then python programmers came and literally made a hash out of everything

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[–] WhyYesZoidberg@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

| Linux kernel 6.6.6 released

Coincidence?! I think not

[–] slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Matthew 7:15-20

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

"I'll take 'Metaphor Translations' for $100, Alex."

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

What is made up bullshit?

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

It's worse than that, he's a Republican

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I believed in God or the Devil, I'd find claim that he's controlled by the Devil more believable than Johnson's claim that he's working for God.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Though these days I associate "Christianity" more with hate than with love.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

Welcome to the club. Hateful is 90% of the Christianity queer people experience.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While I am mightily amused to see the God Squad fighting amongst themselves...

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[–] theodewere@kbin.social 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mike Johnson worships himself, like a lot of ignorant people who call themselves Christians right now.. calls himself Moses and so on, because he's full of pride.. and yeah, that is the same as worshipping Satan, or "being controlled by the Devil" or however else you want to say it..

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

His behavior seems consistent with someone who has delusions of grandeur. I'm not sure a religious explanation is necessary or verifiable.

[–] Goblin_Mode@ttrpg.network 11 points 10 months ago

I think when a Christian minister is making a statement about a guy who is VERY vocal about how his every action is influenced by his being a Christian, then a Christian denounciation feels adequate.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This just in: superstitious con artists engage in slapfight.

Film at 11.

[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

Mike Johnson controlled by the Devil...so the Devil IS the reason we can't have a nice government to meet our needs.

As an Atheist, I think it is awful that Mike Johnson works with the Devil.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if this weird little man is controlled by the xtian devil, but I do know that like so many of today's cons/GOP, he is one creepy weirdo. A party filled with creepy weirdos.

Imagine thinking your god (note the lack of a capital g the provincial xtians love to use) gives you a right to poke around in others' lives.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Xtians? Are we serious? Good grief lol

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who is "we"? Do you have religiously passionate tapeworms that are politically engaged with these comments for whom you now speak in addition to yourself?

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

This is just an op-ed piece that links to another op-ed piece.

Seriously.

Does anyone know if there are any political communities that don’t consider op-ed pieces to be news? For example, a community that has strict rules that news must be free of journalistic bias and only cite news that factually happened with no agenda?

Because that would be cool.

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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Christians have had years to see that Trump is not what they’d call a “godly” person. It baffles me how segments of the population who claim to uphold Christian ethics can so overwhelmingly support him, but of course by definition they are not objective or logical people.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He supports the Antichrist, of course he is evil.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Just in case you are unaware the entire concept of the anti-christ was supposed to be Nero. The last book of the Bible was very controversial partially because of this reason. Other stuff you can argue about but to me at least this is a proven false prophecy and really should not be part of Christianity. However, I am a non-believer so maybe you shouldn't follow my advice.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Controlled by the devil" - that's silly. I think the real debate is whether he's controlled by Godzilla or Mothra.

But we can be sure he's not controlled by Gamera because Gamera is a friend to all children. (and he's really neat)

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mitch is full of turtle meat.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 10 months ago

Those old Godzilla documentaries have higher production values than the bible dramatizations I saw as a kid.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The devil has seen better days. You would expect a devil controlled human to be some sorta uber-human ultimate fighter. Zipping around the battlefield, single handedly committing whole outrages. Not some schmuck in a suit who got his job because of political stalemate.

[–] adrian783@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean the devil is literally the great deceiver. in all biblical portrayals the only thing devil does is lie essentially. the lies sow doubts and people lose their faith.

what you're describing is more along the lines of demons. and they're technically easier to deal with because it's so obvious.

I'm not religious but the devil really is a clever construct in Christianity, and highlights the best "feature": salvation is based on faith and faith alone and everyone can be saved.

it is so much more effective at brainwashing than materialistic control

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[–] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

This little slapfight would be quite funny to watch from the sidelines if they weren't fighting it with out rights.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Oh…. The irony

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 10 months ago

Despite a long track record of anti-LGBTQ+ comments and advocacy, he has insisted he can’t be a hateful person because he’s a Christian.

Oh, what a relief.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

How about, you’re both lunatics and religion is a scourge on society?

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Nope. He's just stupid and scared then someone gave him a taste of power. He has the same smooth brain as the minister saying he's being controlled by the devil.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Funny how these 2 are so special they know God's will.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 35 points 10 months ago

Mike Johnson is claiming god spoke to him and told him when the right time to step up to be speaker was, and so he was chosen by god to do this.

This minister is saying that the devil works by fear and division and that is what Mike Johnson is doing.

I'm not sure how you got from the latter that he is claiming to know God's will.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Con artists gonna con.

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