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Subspace is the answer of course!

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

Uh, no shit? That's how light works once you're able to travel at relativistic speeds - communication over interstellar distances using light is going to take ages.

Even within our own solar system interplanetary travel will have significant communication time delays.

Edit: also, we already know that matter and light can't exceed c, but I wouldn't be surprised if we discover that other forces (gravitation, or another that we haven't understood yet) can transmit information at speeds >c. I wouldn't be surprised if we turned to quantum entanglement for instantaneous communication over extreme distances either.

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Gravity travels at c. The Alcubierre drive tried to use bubbles in spacetime to "bend the rules" in order to result in apparent >c velocities but recent simulations indicate the bubble becomes unstable when attempting to exceed c.

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 20 points 9 months ago (6 children)

My first thought was 'no shit' as well. There's a horrible heartbreaking anime about that.. Voices of a Distant Star.

other forces ... can transmit information at speeds >c

I sadly disagree. Even if we figure out a way to instantaneously transport ourselves across the universe, there will be some shitty clause in fine-print that says we can't go back, or it took 0 time for us but 1 billion years for everything else.

Check out this video by Anton Petrov:

https://odysee.com/@whatdamath:8/woah!-someone-just-sent-an-impossible:4

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

or it took 0 time for us but 1 billion years for everything else.

That's just time travel with extra steps!

[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It literally is time travel.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The problem with information traveling ftl is, that you're very quickly running into paradoxes. So just by logic wanting to keep intact, I feel like ftl communication will be impossible

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

Logically it makes sense, but the real world is years and often we don't use the right logical systems. It makes logical sense to most people that a heavy object falls faster then a light object ,but we know that is false (and a also a non obvious logical system that also shows it is false)

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

It might become like the days of sail. The fastest mode of communication might actually be the speed of ships. In order to get a message between earth and alpha centauri you might have to actually build messenger ships.

You might have to build small automated FTL capable ships with massive data storage capacity and then download all of the data you need to send and then set the ship off on its way.

[–] JDubbleu@programming.dev 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a spaceship full of tapes hurtling through the cosmos.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Star Citizen has a ship like that. A cabin strapped onto the largest engine that wouldn't kill you, with data storage added almost like an afterthought.

Well, star citizen has a ship like that - it doesnt have any gameplay loops that make use of that though.

[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago

The futuristic version of never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

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[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why is this even an article? It’s obvious.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Somebody just watched the Expanse for the first time and thinks it’s a neat new thing to explain to the Earthers

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

That journalist is a real wellwalla

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago
[–] Gregorech@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Have they never watched Star Trek, subspace relays people.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

What exactly is subspace anyways?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

It’s a different part of the universe, separate from normal space where things like baryonic matter exists. In subspace certain of our universe’s fundamental rules as seen in normal space don’t apply or constants are different.

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[–] Gregorech@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Space is like a rainbow, subspace is equal to ultraviolet and hyperspace is infrared. At least inmy head cannon.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Who would have thought that Doppler could apply to communication equipment, too! Shocking!

Next they are going to tell us that messages might take some time due to c!

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Most people have missed the bit about time dilation messing up the clocks used in signalling, which I thought was interesting at first. However, surely the fix is just as simple as including a timing signal with the transmissions?

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah we solved this problem in the 50s by including a clock signal with the data. Most modern digital communications use it.

I think the problem is less timing the messages, and more that the messages from earth will just get redshifted more and more as the ship accelerates, which will require an ever larger antenna to pick up. This also has the affect of bandwidth tending towards 0.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

That's what ansible is for, right?

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[–] subspaceinterferents@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tachyons.

heh, just noticed your username. Excellent 👌

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[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Honestly this seems like a future me problem.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago

There was an early 2000s anime movie that explored this idea. It was called Voices of a Distant Star.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago
[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Jerry Pournelle's "CoDominium" books work like this. The ships are FTL, but can only use the FTL drive at a certain point to leave a system. There isn't a way to send messages faster than light, other than a ship. There is mention of "message sloops" which are small ships with high acceleration wich can move from the jump point to the inner system faster than one of the battleships.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago
[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Underwaterbob@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"뭐?" = "What?" in Korean.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I tried to upload a GIF, but it auto-converted to a PNG. I don't know if it is Lemmy or my client. You can see it here: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d68f9dba-3745-42d2-a68c-53296b79abed

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[–] TrickedPrivacy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well since we are talking about the time when light speed is possible maybe we have invented superluminal communication

[–] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 5 points 9 months ago (11 children)

This is why Jesus invented ‘two cans and a piece of string’.

Dammit, I’m not even a trained physicist but I still have to do all the thinking around here.

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[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why dont they just get an astropath?

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