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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 143 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Just to be clear for everyone here, the mod author effectively stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up. It's really only the intent here that mattered.

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[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 132 points 11 months ago (79 children)

To those that are saying they don't see a problem with this mod. Let me put it to you this way. Instead of a mod that turned one gay woman into a straight man what if it turned one black character into a white character?

There literally was a mod like that in Stardew Valley that turned Demetrius into a white character, and it was rightfully deleted from Nexus mods. If someone has that much of a problem with a character being a different race, sex, gender, or sexual identity then they're clearly bigoted no matter what they say to the contrary.

It's gay erasure, and it's bigotry, plain and simple.

[–] muse@kbin.social 80 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The creator of the mod actually wanted to do just that. He wanted to turn Wyll white, erase all LGBT references, and make Mizhena a trans person who regretted their decision and detransitioned.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 34 points 11 months ago

Imagine being that insecure

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Eesh. Bet we all can guess who that modder voted for :(

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 33 points 11 months ago (36 children)

I have no problem with a mod that changes someone's sexual orientation, someone's race, someone's species, or just plain removes or adds new characters. Why would I care how someone else is playing a game?

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 11 months ago

Neither do they have a right to a platform, hence, deleted off of the platform.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

You don't have to care. No one does. No one is blocking this from working.

It's just not being listed on Nexus.

Moreover this mod wasn't giving options to players to choose how they wanted to play, it was changing very specific things and advertising it. Nexus doesn't care to let them use their platform to advertise a mod made for a very specific audience of really shitty people.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

It really depends, but in general if you feel that lgbt characters or black characters hinder your enjoyment of the game enough to bother modding them away or different then it speaks about who you are in a way that tells me that I dislike you

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

rugged individualism is not the path to a functioning society. in any society worth living in there are certain views that cannot be tolerated. the kind of bigotry expressed by the mod creator is one of those views that cannot be tolerated.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 21 points 11 months ago

Well there's never anything wrong with customizing a single player game, I fully support Nexus banning whatever they see fit, especially on these grounds. They have no duty to platform content they rightfully see as reprehensible

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (7 children)

so many of the replies read like entries to a libertarian contest. and in traditional fashion it seems they forgot to actually read your comment. it’s nice to see a post that understands why the mod is a problem and explains it well, even if so many in the replies seem unable to grasp it.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 78 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Nexus consistently refuses to be a platform for bigotry.

That should not be controversial, at all, in any context.

If this asshat wants to publish it elsewhere - he's free to. Nobody's stopping him. It's just a file. He has every moral right to modify software however he sees fit, and he has every practical right to be a homophobe online with fellow homophobes.

But I don't want anything to do with him. I don't want to use any website that's cool with bigots spreading bigotry. If the people who run the website don't want to deal with that shit either... tough shit, guy. Find another bar. This one's not for Nazis. Warn all your Nazi friends.

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[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 62 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is hardly news, Nexus has removed mods like these in the past from games like Spider-man and Skyrim. Their rules are pretty straightforward when it comes to stuff like this.

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[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And nothing of value has been lost. Eff that mod.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 44 points 11 months ago

Good, fuck that modder

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 25 points 11 months ago (26 children)

I don't have any issues with diversity and inclusivity, and support it however I can.

But I don't really see the problem with this mod? It's a honest question, I've just read the article, and the Nexus mod answer doesn't make much sense to me. I mean there are literally mods that change every character in Skyrim to females, how is that different? (I didn't log in to see the if the mod is active, but I'm sure there's a lot of "we change this character to female" mods for any game).

And more importantly, why not let anyone do whatever they want with their game, and enjoy it however they want? Or was it similar to the Starfield pronouns mod, where the creator went on a hateful rant in the mod description, and acted like a total dick, spewing their bullshit intorelant propaganda? Then, the removal would be understandable. Otherwise, it's just counter-productive and only serves to even more divide people and turn them against eachother, and feels like an unnecessary witch-hunt and a PR stunt.

But please correct me if I'm wrong or missing something, there's probably some context that I don't have.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 60 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Nah this mod was making trans people into trans people that regretted it. They planned on removing all the people of colour because of "realism" and do other assorted fuckery. There was a long post about the group that was writing this mod, it wasn't done in good faith.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

In other words, there's "let people mod whatever they like" and there's mods that are effectively a statement of an ethos, and not all ethos are worth letting your platform be used to broadcast.

There's also mods that are tools to give players more freedom, and mods that are fixes to correct what the dev sees as mistakes or shortcomings. The difference between "choose what color you want the flags to be" and "the flags are all blue now". The latter is a statement of a belief: "I think the game would be better if all the flag were blue".

The changes in this mod could be framed differently, like "gives player more granular control over NPC gender and sexuality". It could have been done in a respectful and open-ended fashion that doesn't play on harmful stereotypes. It could even be used to make the game "more gay" if the player chooses, then if some players choose to make it all "less gay", so be it. That would be fine.

But that's not what this mod is, and the intent behind it is fairly obvious. There's no reason to pussyfoot around this one with arguments about player freedom, that wasn't why it was made.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just because the mod isn't on Nexus mod it doesn't mean the creator can't use it or share it, it just means Nexus mod finds it unacceptable and doesn't want to host it, so people can do whatever they want with their game and Nexus mod can do whatever they want with their website.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is not the Baldur's Gat devs dashing into the mod maker's house and holding him at gunpoint until he deletes the mod. I'd agree, that would be inappropriate.

What this is instead is the people running Nexus deciding that they don't want to be associated with this kind of content and that they are not willing to host it. If you owned a bar and it started being frequented by neo-Nazis, you'd be perfectly within your rights to kick them out, because you're a private business owner and can conduct it however you like within the bounds of the law.

Your position isn't the "live and let live" idea you think it is, because what you're in effect claiming is that the people behind Nexus should be forced to host content that they find extremely morally objectionable.

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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago (7 children)

As was said, the mod author stated the goal was to reduce diversity.

There are other mods that change gender of characters that state no such thing, which are still up.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The last time something like this happened, it was with a mod that removed the pronouns option in (IIRC) Starfield and the reason it was removed wasn't for the content of the mod, but for the content the particular mod's maker put in the description page (bunch of transphobic hate speech). Many news sites reporting on it conveniently left that part of the story out; I imagine this is just another example of that kind of shit reporting and the reason it was removed was because the mod creators were being hateful pricks in the description or forums.

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[–] Zima@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago

I would hope that a similar mod that gives options to disable certain types of romances would have been better suited. So long as it doesn’t single out the types of romances he dislikes.

[–] FunkyMonk@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I DEMAND GAYER AND HORNIER (but in reality I'm still on divinity 2...)

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[–] SweatyFireBalls@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I suppose the irony of trying to make it less lGbtq and instead making it lgbTq goes unnoticed by the bigoted creator?

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