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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 145 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Also dealerships: $10k mark up on this bad boy!

Why do we even have dealerships?

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's a delicate ecosystem: the car salesmen need their cut to spend on drinking and gambling or else the bars and dog tracks will shut down causing more unemployment.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

All part of a petroleum-based economy.

[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention coke isn't exactly cheap when it's not served in a bottle or a glass.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 47 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I know Lemmy hates Tesla, but not having to deal with a dealership was one of the primary decision points for me.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

Because dealers have lobbied to have the law mandate them.

I know "deregulation" is a bit of a dirty word, but some regulations are genuinely bad. In this case, it's literal textbook rent seeking, in the economics sense.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 107 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dealerships charging +30% "market adjustment" fees should be illegal. It happens to ICEs, too, but I've never seen stealerships price gouge anything like they do with shitty mid-trim EVs.

[–] Poayjay@lemmy.world 64 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every dealership in my area has their markup at least the amount of the tax credit. More than a few have exactly the tax credit. Tax credits are supposed to help steer the market, they’re not a handout to pointless middleman.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Markups are super annoying, but identify them quickly and call out the dealer ASAP when looking at new cars. Literally call them out, to their face, and say "No". Don't let them use pointless markups in price negotiations! What I do is find the average price of the car across multiple dealers, subtract all stupid markups, delete the cost of dealer added "upgrades" subtract a few thousand and work from there. There is not much wiggle room for brand new cars, so don't expect to get a deal of the century. Used cars are a totally different beast, but you can basically ignore markups as well.

Provided that your local dealers aren't affiliated in some way, play the long game and play them against each other in a mini-price war. Stupid markups will generally evaporate naturally in that case.

(LPT: Do not sign anything but the actual loan paperwork or contract to buy the car. This will piss off a sales person to no end, but they will get over it. I can go into details why, but I am already outside the scope of this thread.)

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A short anecdote to emphasize the wiggle room on used cars:

I briefly worked at a car dealership. A guy traded an old Acura RSX, maybe about fifteen years old. We gave him $500 for it and sold it two days later for $8000.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And this is why a lot of us prefer Tesla’s approach. While there were still things I didn’t like about the process, it was much more straightforward and easy. No markups, no worry about getting ripped off, no having to “get up and walk away”, no dealing with stupid tricks like “I’ll go to bat with my manager for you”. I just bought the car … and Tesla has lowered prices this year, combinEd with state and federal rebates, the price isn’t bad

[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 11 months ago

These stories piss me off, because I tried from January to May to buy a Chevy Bolt from a dozen plus dealers and all I found was markups, falsely advertising customer pre-ordered vehicles as available for sale, and even 3 year old models with 5000 miles being advertised as "new."

I finally gave up and bought a used car from an independent honest dealer. All this talk of EV's not being able to sell is just the dealer tactics coming back to haunt them and I say fuck them

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I needed to drive 5 hours to get one at a good price. And they were moving tones of that model though. The other places I went to also mentioned their EVs were moving very quickly, one I was looking at was bought within 2 days of listing. So this doesn't at all match with my experience. Maybe they're referring to the super expensive luxury EVs rather than lower price ones?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Or, hear me out.... they are lying. The dealerships are just lying liars and are lying. Because that's what liars do.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

There was just an article (or a couple) the other week about how dealerships are intentionally pushing people to ICE vehicles and lying about EVs anyway they can. I think in one example a sales person told a customer looking at EVs that they can only go 25 MPH or something lmao

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[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Start selling cheaper ones. The day a sub $20,000 EV comes along that can do more than 150 miles on a charge you will all shut up and take my money. I don't need fancy features, I just need something that can get me to work and back with a bit of wiggle room and never have to pay for gas again. 150 miles would be more than sufficient, but 200 would be PERFECT. Leaf and Bolt are close, can we get something a little cheaper, pretty please?

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not many quality ICE vehicles come at that price point these days.

[–] Patches@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Can't even get many used for that cheap these days.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

We have no money and everything is more expensive.

[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It is not in a dealers best interest to sell vehicles that require less costly services for the life of the car which is a big ongoing revenue for many dealerships.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

How about you and the manufacturers sell them cheaper, and now here me out. Maybe then, and I know this is a crazy idea. But could we make it so that the already rich multi million dollar owners earned less?

Nah, wouldn't want that. I'm sure VW and the gang need the money.

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

if only EVs remain, there won't be any problem selling.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unless those EVs start at $50,000. Then they're gonna be hard to move no matter what.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I hope these prices can't help move to public transit. I hate vehicle maintenance and insurance.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After making record profits in the wake of the pandemic and the collapse of just-in-time inventory chains, they're now complaining that selling electric vehicles is too hard.

Almost 4,000 dealers from around the United States have sent an open letter to President Joe Biden calling for the government to slow down its plan to increase EV adoption between now and 2032.

More and more car buyers are opting to go fully electric each year, although even a record 2023 will fail to see EV uptake reach double-digit percentages.

Mindful of the fact that transportation accounts for the largest segment of US carbon emissions and that our car-centric society encourages driving, the US Department of Energy published a proposed rule in April that would alter the way the government calculates each automaker's corporate average fuel efficiency.

Over the summer, industry analysts at Cox Auto made plenty of headlines with data showing that new EV inventory was growing.

Helpfully, the dealers published a complete list of the 3,882 signatories, making it very easy for people to see which businesses are opposing action on climate change.


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[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] DrunkenHarold@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago
[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Biden: Sounds like a you problem.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Huge discounts on EVs? I really need to get out and see this!

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While in Canada there is 12-24 months wait time for an EV...

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is that because they just aren't making them because no one can afford them?

I just paid $18,000 for an 8 year old base model Jeep Patriot with 210K.

Car market is fucked.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The wait time is because there is too much demand and not enough supply. Some people are selling their "waiting list place" for like $2000...

And yes car market is fucked, new or used. I have a 10yo car and couldn't afford a new one in case of total or something :-/

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