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People use it like everyone fucking has the innate knowledge of every acronym out there

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[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Here's an example. Let's say that you don't know how open source works, and I told you the following:

Why are you in Lemmy? It's open source so any hacker can screw with it, and infect your computer with viruses. You'll never know, right?

That's FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. It's a disingenuous tactic to convince you to not do something, based on the following:

  • You fear a certain outcome. In this case, a computer virus.
  • That fear is vaguely associated with something that is uncertain for you. In this case, how a hacker could use Lemmy to inject viruses into your computer.
  • The odds of that outcome happening are doubtful; it may happen, it may not, otherwise you could call me out for not happening. In this case, even if you don't get a virus from using Lemmy, I can still say "well, some people get it, some don't, but let's play it safe and avoid Lemmy."

This shitty strategy is fairly used in the tech industry because most people are clueless about tech, but they know that it has a big impact on their lives. However you'll also see this in politics, religious debate (Pascal's Wager is FUD), and others.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Literally all VPN sponsored segments on YouTube.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup. There are reasons to use a VPN, mind you; but they involve the person actually knowing the risk, when it applies, and taking a cost vs. risk judgment. The FUD in those sponsors is basically "you don't know so you might be at risk, subscribe to our VPN juuuuust in case".

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They straight out lie in those ads though. Like for example VPNs don't protect your privacy at all when you're browsing. Just because it says private in their name doesn't mean you're anonymous. Cookies and trackers work all the same via a VPN.

[–] bigboismith@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Or the biggest thing people forget, being logged in.

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's an exaggeration though, most of them are coming at you with the 'hey! You can watch netflix germany now!" rather than 'hackers are coming to get you'

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 9 months ago

Yeah they have all kinda changed their tune after Tom Scott came out saying they were all straight out lies. https://youtu.be/WVDQEoe6ZWY?si=Gnrk4Bx1kdFQStJP

After this video I could tell you tubers changed their ads. They still lie, but much less.

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I'd say the 'D' (hah!) is more about making you doubt your position or thoughts on the matter. In your example, it'd make you doubt your choice to try using Lemmy, because of the fear and uncertainty.

[–] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

It's part of the short and distort tactic too, https://realpeoples.media/the-basics-on-cointelpro-and-how-to-counter-it/

I feel like tesla uses it to fight against Unions in Sweden

[–] force@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This shitty strategy is fairly used in the tech industry because most people are clueless about tech

Ah, so like every manager and client to ever exist in software development. I see

[–] DJKayDawg@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the D stands for 'Division'. Divide groups with infighting such as wedge issues.

Uncertainty and doubt are synonymous.

[–] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Canonically the "D" in the acronym is understood as "doubt", as you can see here, here (2 of 2), here. Division and infighting play no direct role here.

Uncertainty and doubt are synonymous.

They do overlap but complete synonymous are extremely rare. And I believe that, in this context, they refer to different things - the uncertainty as lack of knowledge on how something works, and the doubt on the outcome itself. (@DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com offers an alternate explanation, where the doubt is ideological.)

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

It’s sometimes used as a noun for things that cause FUD, too.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 months ago

As others have said Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

It entered tech lingo way back in the 90s when Microsoft was fighting an early wave of Linux on desktop. They would troll and present themselves as a reliable alternative.

They weren't the first to do it. IBM's unofficial motto in the 70s was "nobody gets fired for going with IBM".

[–] uservoid1@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago
[–] Clav64@lemmy.ml 24 points 9 months ago

In a modern internet context:

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Often used in crypto circles when a shitty project is being accused of being a rug pull. The scammer may say "it's just FUD, ignore it".

On 'the street', if I called someone a fud, it is calling them an idiot.

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 24 points 9 months ago

Guess you’re one of today’s lucky 10000

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 12 points 9 months ago

Others have answered it pretty well, but here's a more specific example:

In the long, long ago, IBM was the biggest seller of computer equipment, and by a wide margin. They alone decided the majority of standards in use, as well as what was coming soon. Anticompetitive monopoly tactics were standard there. For the vast majority of customers, you absolutely HAD to be compatible with whatever IBM was selling.

When one of IBM's competitors would introduce a new and desirable product, IBM would often issue a press release. They would say that they have something similar in the works, and it won't be compatible with the other brand. The safe option would be to wait for IBM to release theirs rather than take a risk on a whole new ecosystem. This was all despite the fact that IBM never actually had said product in development.

As a result, the customers would be afraid of being stuck on something incompatible, with an uncertain future. They wouldn't buy it, but they would continue to buy their existing IBM options. Eventually the other product would fold (proving their fears correct), and they'd forget what IBM promised.

[–] 520@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It means "Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt".

It's a modern kind of shit talking employed by large corporations in conjunction with astro turfing (pretending to be an unbiased commentator, when you're really as biased as can be) to dissuade people from going to a competitor.

Because saying stuff like "I dunno dude, there's been reports of a lot of problems with Product X" is a lot more persuasive than "Product X sux!!!", especially when you don't know the poster was paid by Company Y, a competitor, to say it.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fud means cunt, just like every other word.

[–] Oyster_Lust@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you calling every word cunt? I can probably think of 5 words that aren't cunt.

[–] presbypenguin@reddthat.com 2 points 9 months ago
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I had to look this up the other day and found it annoying. Absolutely feels like something not common enough to abbreviate to me

[–] LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It depends on when you were around and reading geeky news sites. FUD came up often on Slashdot in relation to Microsoft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt#Microsoft

and the SCO v. IBM section are relevant.

[–] ARk@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In what context is this? I have never heard of FUD before in my life. Why the heck does Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt need to be arranged into an acronym?

[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because posters on crypto/investing forums needed to refer to it frequently

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 9 months ago

Pretty much, right there with HODL.

[–] OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

It's common in communities where rigid adherence to a set of beliefs is necessary to enforce cohesion. It's commonly used to avoid engagement with "Facts U Dislike" (haha) by terminating all meaningful discussion.

Part of a flat earth forum and you're posting an experiment you performed that suggests the earth is round? You're spreading FUD that should be ignored.

Posting on a crypto shitcoins discord about how this kinda looks like a scam and maybe it's not a good investment? That's also FUD. You're just mad that everyone else is going to be rich.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

I keep thinking it’s FOD (foreign object damage) which is why you don’t want small, hard objects on a runway or something. Stuff like bullet casings can get sucked into a jet engine, and cause FOD that takes a plane out of service.

Then I notice that FOD doesn’t make any sense in context, reread the sentence, and realize it’s FUD. Whoops.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Bullshit people push to agree with their viewpoints that make other things look bad/scary/insecure/etc

[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

We don't sell Duff here, we sell Fudd!

[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"I don't want Dapper Dan, I want Fop!"

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The best thing about abbreviations is that they are entirely contextual, which means that if it isn't obvious what's meant, you can make up your own meaning and wonder/ask why the other person is using it so very wrong.

There's even an abbreviation for it: TLB, which in this context means Three Letter Bullshit.

[–] theamigan@lemmy.dynatron.me 1 points 9 months ago

TLB will always be translation lookaside buffer, sorry.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Flowers Ultimately Die.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Was it quicker to make a post asking random people on the internet, and waiting for a factual response, than to type the same question into a search engine?

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

oh we fucking
we fucking alright

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Elmer Fud ?

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago
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