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Texas State Rep. James Talarico using biblical scripture to tear down conservative Christian arguments

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 139 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Conservatives aren’t Christian. They just pretend to be so they can manipulate each other.

[–] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

They want to expand that to manipulate everyone.

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 65 points 11 months ago

They never have an answer when someone uses the book they’ve never actually read against them. All she could do was stand there and stutter.

[–] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Gotta love when an articpe describes something in the title, and then doesn't actually put the details of that thing in the article. The only mention of the bible in the article is "After quoting from the bible, the Democratic lawmaker said..."

Anyone know what the actual quote was?

[–] 93maddie94@lemm.ee 45 points 11 months ago

Matthew 6:5 about praying in secret. Also some references to faith without works is dead and to feed the hungry and clothe the naked in reference to why there is a proposal to put the commandments in classrooms but not to do what Jesus actually calls Christians to do.

[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It does include the tiktok video of the rebuttal, which is well worth the watch!

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 52 points 11 months ago
[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What do you call people who don’t follow the Bible?

Answer - Christians

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Jesus was a poor, brown skinned, socialist, Middle-Eastern, Jewish, pacifist hippie who advocated for paying taxes, supporting the poor, forgiving criminals, giving your money away to charity, and practicing nonviolence all while hanging out with a bunch of other men and prostitutes.

If the second coming happened today Christians would crucify him again before the weekend was over.

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No he wasn't. He didn't exist.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most people assume he did and there's evidence for it, but there really isn't. It's just an assumption that's convenient for Christians to push. There actually is almost no historical evidence for it.

You're currently downvoted because this assumption has been pushed very hard, and it's not totally unfounded. I have no more reason to trust it than I do to trust that Santa was real. There's far too much desire to create evidence for me to bother with it. I don't believe he wasn't real either. I just don't entertain either idea. It doesn't change anything whichever is true. He wasn't the son of God regardless.

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Virtually all scholars agree that a Jewish man named Jesus of Nazareth did exist in Palestine in the 1st century CE.[1][7][8][note 1] Scholars regard the question of historicity as generally settled in scholarship in the early 20th century."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#:~:text=Virtually%20all%20scholars%20agree%20that%20a%20Jewish%20man%20named%20Jesus,in%20the%20early%2020th%20century.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 43 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I thought republican Christians did not believe in the bible any more. It's too woke

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

They're fine with the Old Testament, it's got plenty of treachery, rape, slavery and fraud cheered on by God, mixed in with smiting and destroying things that disagree with you.

They have a problem with the teachings of Christ in the New Testament, which is all a bit too "someone was different to me so I made friends with them and we ate together".

[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

rape, slavery

It draws an odd moral line here where a virgin prisoner of war can basically be raped for the rest of her life as a "wife" but the act of doing so makes it so the "husband" cannot sell her into slavery after leaving her.

I think the best way of summing up biblical ethics is "there's animal rights but women are the animals"

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I thought that was the main difference between Christians and Jews though

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The new testament and old testament "god" are so different that sometimes I wonder if the new testament is 5% Jesus^1 hijacking an old religion to try and make something good out of it, and 95% his followers trying to make sense and reconcile what Jesus taught with the old testament.


^1 afaik it's fairly well established that Jesus - or someone like him - existed, the big question is if they were actually a deity or not.

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[–] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A lot of Catholics in my hometown don't believe the Pope is Christian anymore.

[–] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago

Then they have become protestant without realizing 😂

[–] FrenLivesMatter@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago

To be fair, the Bible says nothing about having to follow the pope in order to get to heaven.

In fact, one could even argue that Jesus would not have approved of such an institution, because in Matthew 23:9, he explicitly says this:

Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.

Meanwhile, the verse that the Catholic church bases the legitimacy of the papacy on (Matthew 16:18) is far more vague:

And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

was secretly hoping the title was literal and he just took a bible and smacked the republicans upside the head

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago

"THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU!" WHACK

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

Good, but it shouldn't have even gotten that far.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] BigT54@lemmy.world 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just so you and everyone else is aware. In the link you posted, everything after the question mark is a tracking id, using the link without that part of the link works perfectly fine and reduces traceability.

[–] Gimpydude@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] nameless@lemmy.myserv.one 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Matcha_Mecha@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Question, is that true for all links?

Like can I just cut out the question mark and back for all links I send?

[–] Vanix@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think the others already gave enough detail but if you'd like to learn a little of the more technical stuff for how the URLs we see (and can edit before viewing) work, look into HTTP "GET" requests!

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You have to deduce what each key=value pair means after the question mark, and they're separated by ampersands (&). This varies by website.

YouTube uses the format "v=..." to point to its videos, and "t=..." to specify the time of playback.

[–] Utilael@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 11 months ago

Not always, like the piped link above uses the parameter after the question mark to know which video to load so you would lose crucial information. It's often pretty obvious what is important and what is not though. The parameters are separated by an & so you can cut off anything extra if you want. You can also just try it in your browser and make sure it still works before sharing it.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Thank you for letting me know

[–] VerdantSporeSeasoning@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

I loved how small she sounded at the end of questioning by the first guy. Then the chud in the back-right corner has to jump on and say "oh since Jesus is God, he wrote the ten commandments, don't you just feel the luuuv in them" and totally tried to give her back face after the questioning. But as the first rep said, the bill, as it's written, is arrogant and idolatrous. But she just wants to "keep it clean", and ignore every other piece of history that shows the coalition that formed to create the US.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't y'all know it doesn't count if it happens in the new testament

[–] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't Jesus from the new testament?

[–] FewerWheels@mander.xyz 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That is what he is saying. To them Jesus doesn’t count. He’s much too nice to others. Really, they don’t care about the Bible except as a tool to abuse others so the argument in the article will not have any influence on christofacist thinking.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I recently read an article where pastors/priests are having this issue. They are quoting Jesus Christ and then being told by MAGA followers that they are spouting "woke liberal propaganda."

Now, you don't have to follow what Jesus said to do. I'm not Christian and so don't model my life around his teachings. But if you claim to "follow Jesus," but then want to reject what Jesus said to do because it's "too woke," then maybe you should get a different religion!

[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Funny thing is, if you take the bible and ignore the new testament, isn't that effectively Judaism?

[–] FrederikNJS@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Ah, I misunderstood then. I keep hearing Americans praise Jesus, only to turn around and do everything Jesus told people not to do...

But yeah it totally makes sense when you only consider these people who only use the Bible as a tool.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Junk links all over the article, but none leading to the video they talk about? Journalism is dead.

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ahh yes I too remember the well known and oft quoted bible passage “and then the Lord said unto him, ‘place a picture of your dingus on the wall in every room’ and then after he had said it, he laughed unto himself, saying ‘hehe I wonder if they’ll actually do it’ “

[–] Hider9k@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago
[–] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The only argument in favor if this bill seems to be that the Ten Commandments were taught in our nation's earliest schools...

Imagine all the crazy things that were taught in 18th & 19th century schools. It's just a stupid argument on its face.

[–] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

YouTube auto captions on point about the Kennedy decision! In case you need a screenshot.

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